Marciano fast footwork, closing the distance, and using angles against Lastarza

You just came up with 5 excuses for why 5 great uppercuts weren't thrown the way you said they should be. You came up with an excuse for each one!
You're like an addict.
You don't see your obsessive compulsion, and lack of reason.

 

Want me to show you Joshua doing that uppercut too Kevin?

What does it take lol.

 

Nobody ever said that Marciano didn't know how to throw short uppercuts.

You're either far denser than I'd ever realized or more intellectually dishonest. But just in case it's the former: I've been very clear that the biggest drawbacks of throwing long uppercuts are that they can be defensive liabilities and slow down the delivery of the punch (this is basic, common knowledge for anyone who understands boxing technique). I've never said that nobody can ever throw them in a fight. To the contrary, I've been clear that you can get away with them against opponents who are overmatched, hurt & harmless, or who otherwise don't see the punches coming. The only thing I've ridiculed about those punches is your ridiculous attempt to act like they represent some kind of advanced, highly nuanced technique. What part don't you understand? How is anything I said about that highlight video an "excuse"?

PS-- And, again, the first Douglas uppercut was near textbook, so I don't know why you're lumping it with the others.

 

Here, AJ too!
https://streamable.com/ngjqs

You were making fun of technical merits of this punch throughout the whole thread.

Now it's only okay to use if the opponent is either:
A. Harmless (lol, when is another boxer harmless? It's boxing)
B. Smaller
C. Hurt
D. Overmatched

What about if they're wearing shoes?

 

SMH. This is what I get for wasting my time for trying to discuss punching technique with someone who really, sincerely believes that Primo Carnera was a better fighter than Riddick Bowe. Nothing worse than smug dumb people.

 

"Throwing from below the hip is a no-no"
https://streamable.com/ngjqs

"because it both telegraphs the punch (in most instances)"
https://streamable.com/buomw

"and, more importantly, leaves a boxer wide open to counters."
https://streamable.com/uqx4v

"I'd always assumed that any halfway decent trainer would explain this to his students within the first few weeks of instruction."

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You're a dishonest moron. And you probably wonder why multiple (different) people correct you and criticize you whenever you try to talk boxing technique. You're hopeless but I think/hope I've made my points clearly enough to get them across to the folks reading from home.

 

you two have a fundamental disgagreement about what an "arm punch"is, because Reznik has a different definition for it.

 

Reznick 90% of all boxing coaches will teach you to throw the uppercut the way it was described, short compact and driven. Thats just how it is. Thats what is generally accepted as proper frm and technique in 90% of gyms. Doesnt mean that rocky or tyson were bad, it just means that they sometimes loaded up on a punch.
Everyone does it at some point, but most likely against a hurt or overmatched/slower opponent like kevin said simply because loading up on an uppercut(or any punch for that matter) has potential drawbacks and hurt/overmatched/significantly slower opponents are not able to capitalize on those well known and obvious drawbacks, for the most part. Loading up on a punch isnt "an elite haymaker" its just a punch that was loaded up and thrown with such force that it either left the "thrower" off balance or left him open, but the thrower most of the time knows when and how he could get away with loading up.

 

I'm okay, I'm confident.
This started because I complimented the form of Rockys uppercut. Yes, Rocky Marciano, champion of the world.

Then Ezzard said:
"Surely the perfect trajectory for an uppercut sees the punch start with the arm bent and the elbow no lower than the hip and the glove should not go much higher than the puncher's shoulder after the punch (depending on the height of the punch's recipient), at which point the shoulder snaps and generates the power. A good uppercut should not see the glove travel about 6 feet, surely? That's good technique for throwing underarm."

And then I, and others, posted countless examples of world class punchers intentionally doing what he coined as bad technique.

The crux of this entire thread is Ezzard thinking that Rocky threw a bad uppercut.
You rode the coattails of that, frankly, bad argument.

You went as far as to argue that spectacular world class knockouts scored by Mike Tyson is a "no-no."

You want to join the argument that Rocky Marciano did not throw a good uppercut in the original clip, be my guest. Some people think the Earth is flat.

There will always be people who disagree with each other.
I can handle that. That's life.

 

This is just semantics.

A Tyson or Marciano power uppercut isn't ho hum, unless the whole sport it.
It's not just loading up, it's controlling trajectory, shifting your weight properly, packing power from the shoulder.
There is levels.

Every punch has its drawbacks.
A perfectly snapped jab sometimes is the wrong weapon too.
Everything has its timing and place, no deep revelation here.

Many of the punches shown throughout this thread are some of the most notorious uppercuts in history. You want to equate the means to that end as technical shortcomings? Go right on ahead, I'm not riding that train.

 

When your opponent is reeling and not going to retaliate you can throw a huge wind-up uppercut to try to finish things off. When in the heat of exchanges, it is ill-advised unless you have RJJ type speed. It is all about context. Posting giffs of guys finishing off there opponents is not a great primer for a class on the uppercut.

Case in point... http://media-1.web.britannica.com/eb-media/36/61936-004-ACADE85D.jpg

 

Agreed. OR if you see an opening, and you feel that punch is the necessary one. But yeah the main time to throw it is when the opponents head is down and they're staggered. It's almost a natural reaction.

Joshua was hurt when he threw his.
And although it didn't land, it momentarily backed Klitschko away from the inside. So in a sense it worked.
There are several reasons a world class boxer may have for choosing a certain punch at a certain time.

These guys were top of their craft. To say Marciano's uppercut wasn't a thing of beauty (the crux of this entire debate) is utterly foolish imo.

 

The post that set this all off:
"Look how his uppercut starts below his knees, and ends up way in the sky.
Perfect trajectory, like from a video game."

 

Who did you do pad work with?
The main coaches at the gym?