41 year old Wlad in a series of fantasy fights

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I deleted the post I originally made here out of embarrassment because I acted like a little bee-atch. I read your reply to my original post below and feel like a tool. You took the high road and I apologise.
(I will take my spanking and go to bed with no supper)

 

theres weight divisions for a reason. Hes 3/4 stone bigger and 6 plus inches taller than most on the list. So just because your in love with certain fighters and it clouds your judgement, people have to go a long with it. Its opinions man. Fighters get bigger and better

 

can see this happening if Wilder manned up !

 

This is the correct rationale

 

Depends... does the referee let him spoil/Hold? If yes then he beats Johnson Marciano and Frazier and MAYBE Dempsey although demsey was fast enough to have the biggest chance land a big one before he falls into the clinch.
Prime Ali too fast Liston knocks him out. Joe Louis gets dropped but i think he would prevail.

 

spo based on wlad getting ktfo by a man with 18 fights and no world level fights, we are matching his worst version against prime atgs? wtf. threads express delivery straight from kliturd city.

 

^^^ t@rd Ignores he was 1/3 against at bookmakers but almost won it.

 

There's no need to be so defensive.

My post wasn't meant to cause offence.

Don't worry about my credibility.

If you don't agree with what I've wrote, that's cool. It's what makes the forum so interesting.

Come back with your reasoning and we'll have a good debate.

I think you're a good poster.

I'm a fan of Wlad myself, but he's always frustrated me throughout his career.

Regarding your initial post, he put in a great effort against Joshua at the weekend. It was amazing. I give him all the credit in the world. But I think you have to note that although it was an extremely dangerous fight for him, it was also a good match up for him stylistically. Also, he has proven many times throughout the years that he isn't the strongest fighter mentally.

Now to think he'd have beaten Ali etc, is cool. But to have favoured him everybody, most likely by knockout? That's a bold statement. Now if you really believe that, you simply have to question why he struggled against the much lesser fighters who he fought, especially as he was younger.

Tyson Fury broke him mentally before there fight. His movement then caused him a lot of trouble. So let's look at Ali: Although he obviously wasn't as big as Fury, there's a huge chance that he'd also have held a huge psychological advantage over him, and his movement would have caused him a huge amount of trouble.

Again: I'm not being disrespectful or argumentative. I'm just noting that he couldn't change tactics against Fury, he wouldn't commit to trying to get David Haye out of there even when he was pressed up against the ropes, and he looked poor against Jennings etc. Yet he'd have been favoured to have knocked out Sonny Liston? You could bet your life that he wouldn't have fought a fair few of those guys from the list, in the same mindset that he fought in at Wembley. And after watching him for 20 years, I say that with full confidence.

Technically, he's one of the best ever. But he's mentally weak, and he's psychologically scarred from those early knock out defeats. If he possessed Vitali's chin and and confidence, he'd have been just about unstoppable.

Please note, I'm not saying that he couldn't have beaten those guys on the list. I'm saying that due to how his career has played out in front of us, it's silly to think he'd have been favoured to have beaten all of them, especially by knock out.

There's no way he's better now than what he's ever been before. So from a logical standpoint, a guy at 41 who was good enough to have beaten all those guys from that list, surely wouldn't have struggled and lost to the lesser fighters he fought when he was in his 20's and 30's.

Get back to me and we'll have a good debate.

I apologise if I offended you in anyway.

Cheers.

 

What are you talking about?

They're all HW's.

Who am I in love with?

I like Wlad myself. But if you think that Wlad's so great that he'd have knocked out peak versions of Ali, Louis and Liston etc, at 41, then just tell me why he couldn't beat lesser fighters when he was in his 20's and 30's?

 

No problem at all. But you've edited your post since I replied to you.

Initially, Joff said he'd have favoured Wlad over those guys you listed, and more than likely by knockout.

Before you edited your post, you said it was exactly how you felt. So naturally, I thought you were agreeing with his post in it's entirety, and not just the lone paragraph that you've now quoted.

Cheers.

 

As per my previous post.

 

You people who say Wladimir would get KO'd easily by Fraizers / Louis, please get real.