41 year old Wlad in a series of fantasy fights

Ohhhh

Elite level fighters there....

 

And history has shown that all the fighters on the list have either struggled with or been beaten by fighters levels below any version of Wlad.

People can call it till the cows cone home but Ali, Frazier etc aren't besting your a Lennox Lewis, Wlad and Vitali, etc.

 

This is hypothetical we are talking about the Wembley version of Wlad and not about the versions who have lost
to Puritty, Sanders, Brewster or Fury.

The Wembley Wlad would definitely have a chance to knock out Liston and Louis, wether he would knock out
Muhammad Ali is another question, i'm not so sure about that but you have to consider that all of those guys
are a lot smaller than AJ and not as strong as Anthony Joshua.

 

Of course. But we're specifically looking here at a 41 year old version of Wlad, against those guys at their absolute best.

A number of guys think that it would be a given that he'd have beaten them, most likely by knockout.

How realistic is that, considering what we know about his career?

Are you seriously telling me that he'd have been a favourite to knock out peak versions of Ali, Liston and Louis at 41, despite the fact that he couldn't knock out guys like Haye and Jennings etc, when he was younger?

Is this current 41 year old version of him the best we've ever seen?

A HW who was great enough to have been favoured over guys like Ali via a KO, wouldn't have lost to the guys who he lost to.

Everyone needs to calm down a little.

You can't have favoured him to have beaten all those guys, why he couldn't let his hands go to beat Fury.

 

TBH the version of Wlad that lost to Joshua I would pick over any fighter on the list not named Ali, not necessarily all by KO but I believe he deals with your Frazier, Johnson and Marciano 's very easily.

 

Of course he'd have had a chance, but a lot of you guys would have favoured him. Now realistically, he'd never have fought all of those guys in the manner in which he fought Joshua.

It's silly to say you'd have favoured him to have taken out Liston and Ali etc at 41, when he couldn't take out the likes of Jennings at 39, he couldn't take out Haye at 35, and he lost to 3 non great fighters in his 20's.

I love hypothetical debates. But let's be realistic here.

You guys are claiming that this is a new, never before seen version of Wlad, who is now better than he's ever been all throughout his career.

Name some other ATG fighters who were much better in their 40's, than what they were in their 20's and 30's.

 

What you don't understand is that the best heavyweight fighters since the 90s were Lennox Lewis,
Vitali Klitschko,Wladimir Klitschko and now Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua, they are all at least 6ft. 5.

No smaller fighter since then had a chance to be the number 1 in the heavyweight division.

The heavyweights are getting bigger and stronger and you try to ignore it.

Put an Anthony Joshua or Lennox Lewis in the 70s and they would wreck all of the fighters, nobody would
have a chance against them other than Ali, imagine that for a second and you will agree with me.

 

How many smaller HWs with elite skills have we seen since 90s? The answer is 1, Evander Holyfield, who was the legitimate HW champion at certain point and either the #1 or #2 greatest HW of 90s.

Yeah, there weren't many big, skillful guys like Lewis or Klitschkos back in the day, but Lewis or Klitschkos never had to deal with 6'3 speed demons with exceptional skills either.

Aside from Ali, I can see prime Big George beating Lewis or AJ, and the Joshua that I saw against Wlad wouldn't win more than 3 rds vs prime Larry Holmes(unless you don't count him when you say "70s").

 

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One got waxed by ONE shot TWICE and the other went life and death with a washed up 41 year old...........let me ask you this if no hopers like Mccall/Rahman can take out your beloved Lemmie that easily and Mike Tyson /Evander Holyfield ko'ed old Holmes/beat old Foreman from pillar to post without hitting the deck like AJ why cannot your thick skull understand that Heavyweight boxing is more than just size.........a a fresh /young WK was taken to the absolute limit by a crude inexperienced Sam Peter...............insert Joe Louis in there and WK gets KO'ed cold.

 

I know they are all heavyweights of THEIR time. But fighters have got far bigger in the last 60 yrs and far better..Some are simply not big enough for the fighters of today. Ali could move and frustrate wlad but the rest would be infront of him and physically outgunned. When they are all legit fighters (which they are and some of the best ever) 3/4 stone makes a massive difference.

 

he didn't almost win it. he got ktfo again. Thats like claiming that Amir Khan almost beat Canelo.

he did very well though, and led on points marginally. A point lead means nothing if you are getting koed or tkoed, especially when you are only leading because of your lack of pacing for a 12 round fight.

The end was inevitable for a man on half tank.

 

exactly, you people say wlad gets koed easily by retired old failure and purity journeyman and Brewster, GET real!

oh...

 

how is he physically outgunned?

if hes physically outgunned, why didn't we see bodybuilders ruling the hw division in the 70s? There were plenty around and plenty of them could box.

 

The fighters would be physically outgunned standing in front of Wlad. Far smaller, some not as fast, has longer reach physically stronger he holds all the cards. Any good inside fighters get tied up in close. Wlad under steward was an exceptionally hard man to out box