41 year old Wlad in a series of fantasy fights

Come back when the LSD has worn off.


Seriously, you've got to be taking the pi$$?


Just have a recap of his career:

He lost and struggled to lesser guys all throughout his career, when he was in his 20's and 30's.

He was iced by Sanders in his mid 20's.

He lost to Brewster in his 20's.

He was in trouble against Peter in his 30's.

He was cautious against Haye in his 30's.

He looked awful against Jennings in his 30's.

He was cautious and lost to Tyson, even questioning and doubting his own mind at 40.


Now all of a sudden, at the age of 41, you're telling us that those fights against the best versions of those past HW's, wouldn't even have been fair match ups, but in Wlad's favour?

Ha!

GTFO!

 

You're saying that Joshua lost the prospect tag when he beat Charles Martin?

 

This is all well and good, but at the end of the day, it's a fighters skill set that determines the outcome of the fight.

Also, not all modern guys have superior fitness.

 

You think the health, fitness, conditioning, diet and training regime are similar now to the fighters from the 50's 60's 70's 80's?

 

Not everyone, but certainly the likes of Ali.

I'm not being illogical or unfair.

It is based on watching him fight for over 20 years.


You've seen him lean and clinch.

You've seen his arsenal of punches diminish over the years.

You've seen how ultra cautious he's been in many fights.


Sure, Ali didn't have great power. But neither did Tyson. The majority of his stoppages had been accumulative TKO's. We also saw him dropped against Cunningham. So in Dusseldorf, Wlad was fired up, and he was facing a guy who wasn't heavy handed, surely knowing that he had a huge advantage over him in punch power. Yet we saw what happened. He was pawing out his jab in a non committal way, and he was extremely cautious against Tyson's feints. He couldn't let his hands go. The same thing happened against Haye.

It wouldn't have been in Wlad's nature to have fought a peak version of Ali in the same manner that he fought Joshua. If you think he would have done, that's up to you. But I think it's completely unrealistic.

 

You said Wlad Klitschos stamina and endurance was at the different level to Ali and other guys from the past.

WK has horrible stamina. He blew a gasket in his 20's against a journeyman. He was knackered late against Haye and all he done his jab and lean.
He constructed his style around shutting the pace of a fight down to a level he was comfortable with. He won't throw more than single shots cos he knows his stamina isn't equipped for high or even moderate work rate
Ali on his toes could cover more distance in a couple of rounds than WK could over 12.
Thats the barometer of fighting fitness. Modern guys are non athletic flat footers.

If you had experience watching old school fighters you wouldn't make such stupid claims

 

I can appreciate that. They did all lose to lesser fighters. But in this specific thread, we're looking at Wlad as he is now at 41, facing the best versions of those guys listed. Yet despite that, many people think that Wlad would definitely have beaten them, including one nut, who doesn't even think the matches would have been fair, but in Wlad's favour.

 

Here we go again.

It's your turn this time.

I had enough of it last year.

Ha!

 

The difference between Ali and Tyson Fury is height and reach advantage.
The difference between Ali and David Haye is power.

Wladimir couldn't pull the trigger against Tyson Fury because he couldn't overcome the reach disadvantage
and in my personal opinion a major factor was his mental state in this fight, i know you don't agree with
me but i really think this was the major factor, but nothing to take away from Tyson Fury, he did a great job.

He had to be cautious against David Haye because he knew that he was one of the most dangerous punchers
at the time.

I see no reason why he would fight cautious against Muhammad Ali, he would probably be the aggressor
in this fight, Ali would have to be cautious, he would have to beat him with his footwork and his ring intelligence.

 

Wlad is a very smart and studious man. I would also include this in his longevity.

 

Great post.

 

I said Wlad fitness is different compared to that off fighters from the past, it's especially different than fighters of the past, the health and fighters now has to be at their peak, It's athleticism that keeps you at the top, that's how Klitschko has remained on top, he probably gets schooled by Ali and maybe even gets out worked, but truth is we have no idea how a fight between Klitschko and Ali or whichever name you pick, because the question Is irrelevant because there is to many variables. I'm just saying that the conditioning and development of fighters is different now then ever has being. And maybe that is a major factor we have to take into account.

 

The difference in reach and height against Fury wasn't huge. That alone shouldn't have made him so cautious. Again, he had a huge advantage in power, and he questioned his tactics afterwards.

Sure, it was smart to have avoided a shootout with Haye. But again, he wouldn't even press him, even when Haye was repeatedly trapped up against the ropes doing nothing.

He would have been cautious against Ali, due to Ali's speed. Ali would have been up on his toes, dancing, circling and feinting etc, trying to make him off balance so he could have countered him. And he'd have employed those tactics whilst taunting him at the same time, trying to get into his mind.

 

If you've actually seen film of Dempsey fighting and then claim he would "KO Wlad fast", I have to believe you are either trolling or are a complete moron. Seriously, FFS

 

Wlad is 41. Most of the top 10 ATG Heavyweights didn't make it past 33 or 35. Have you people not seen how bad Louis, Ali, Holmes, Tyson, etc looked at that age?

Holmes tried to take on the young champion and got his blocked knocked off and offered some of the most delusional and pathetic excuses as to why.

Louis was knocked out of the ring in a savage KO loss.

Ali was embarrassed by Holmes who begged the referee to stop the fight.

Tyson was busy quitting against bums like Danny Williams and Kevin McBride.

You can't just pick and choose certain fights as evidence. Roy Jones at 35 was busy getting his Glass Jaw shattered multiple times and was KOed on 3 different continents when he was Wlad's age. People on here say he is the greatest ever but the guy fought cautious all through this career against handpicked opposition. George Foreman and Vitali Klitschko are the only guys to fight superlatively at an advanced age in the Heavyweight division. There is a reason for that. Most guys are shot to **** by the time they are 33.