Canelo looks worried

I know it's legal, but I don't think it should be, I'm all for "super fights" in catch weight but if it's for a title, it should be in the title weight!

I should of said in my previous post "that they allow title fights in catch weight is beyond me".

 

you constantly get yourself banned spewing crap about golovkin. my god, can't you talk about anything else?

 

It all started with Floyd demanding the 152 to fight Canelo. Before that, Canelo was rightly defending his title at the full weight limit. Once Floyd did that with Canelo, then everybody started copying Floyd and his whole A Side B Side mantra. Then Cotto started draining MWs, etc. Had Floyd been a man about it and just fought Canelo at 154 like he fought Cotto at, none of this catchweight business for title fights would have become commonplace.

I mean for this fight Canelo vs Chavez, there should be a catchweight. 164.5 is very fair considering the weight disparity between both fighters, and the fact that it's a non-title bout. But for a fight like Floyd vs Canelo, which was a Lineal Unification Title Fight for a division, it never should have been allowed to happen at 152. Both guys were 154-lb champions, Floyd already made a point about fighting Cotto at 154 and not doing catchweights like Pacquiao did to Cotto years earlier. Floyd demanding the 152 catchweight was highly hypocritical and its much worse than anything Canelo has done to any of his opponents.

 

Jr's most important fight was vs Martinez where he had to boil off 11 lbs 24hrs prior to the weigh in.

Yeah, this fight might bring him back into fans graces, but had he been more prepared for Martinez, and been the man to beat him, nobody would care about CanYELLOW.

 

Agreed on everything but on that it was "worse than anything Canelo has done to any of his opponents", it's equal as bad and annoying when fighters do this, do what ever catch weight fights as you want, but, if it's for a title, have the balls to fight in the right weight!

 

Canelo has never drained an opponent in a Title Fight like Floyd did to him.

(Cotto demanded the 155 catchweight vs Canelo as he was champion and set the terms)
(Khan requested the catchweight vs Canelo and was opposed to fighting him at 160)

In both of those instances, the catchweight was requested by Canelo's opponent and benefitted his opponent, not him.

As a comparison, Triple G didn't give the same benefit of a catchweight to Brook, a welterweight coming up, that Canelo gave to Khan, a welterweight coming up. Brook had to fight Triple G at 160, while Khan was able to fight Canelo at 155. There's no comparison between what Floyd did to Canelo demanding he make 152 to Canelo making it easier for Khan to come up with the catchweight of 155.

Any way you look at it, Canelo has never asked a fighter to weaken himself for a title fight like Floyd asked him to do. I agree that catchweights shouldn't happen in title fights, but lets be clear as to which catchweights benefitted who and who demanded them.

 

I really don't care who it benefits the most, it's still stupid to have catch weights for a title fight and I don't think it should be allowed.

 

Preface: I honestly haven't followed Canelo's or Chavez's career like at all, certainly not enough to accurately weigh in on the fight. I definitely wouldn't feel confident picking a winner. For all I know, it will be an easy win by Canelo, or a big upset by Chavez. I have no idea.

It seems like Canelo is accustomed to having a huge weight advantage over his opponent. Now he's going up roughly 10 lbs above anything he's ever fought at. That seems pretty wild.

Chavez on the other hand has never accomplished that much. He's lost to plenty of good fighters, and I guess his only recent win is Brian Vera. He had some decent wins ~5 years ago, especially against Andy Lee, although it looks like he was losing on the cards vs Lee, and I've heard he fought dirty.

Canelo seems like he must be a class above, but giving up such a huge weight advantage, especially when you're accustomed to having that advantage yourself? I can't tell how this will work out.

 

Fair point, but look at it this way. Floyd vs Canelo at 152 happened before what happend at Middleweight happened. I mean, Floyd was able to do that, and wasn't criticized for it, so it became something that became accepted to an extent, when it shouldn't have. Cotto saw that and started draining Middleweights. Fans didn't really complain about the catchweights until Canelo won the title, mainly because he didn't fight Triple G in his first defense. And even after that, it wasn't him that needed to make the catchweight vs Khan.

I agree with you that it's stupid to have catchweights for a title fight, but understand that it started with Floyd vs Canelo. And no one seemed to have a problem with Cotto vs Canelo being at 155, since fans considered them both to be really Jr Middleweights, so that made sense. But then the Canelo vs Triple G fued started, and everyone started criticizing Canelo for fighting at 155 even though it wasn't his catchweight. It was simply that Triple G was fighting at 160, and Canelo wasn't. This is how this whole thing got to this point. Canelo's being blamed for a lot of the catchweight stuff, but in reality if you really break it down, he's not the one who started the catchweight stuff (Floyd & Cotto did) and has never been one to drain an opponent or need catchweights to defend titles.

 

Woah..did he or did he not request GGG come down to 55?

 

I don't know. Did he?

I know that Triple G has said on two different occasions that he would come down to 154 to fight Mayweather. (but not for Canelo) It's possible that at some point in negotiations it was mentioned, but I don't know how that can be proven. I don't think it was ever seriously a major sticking point. DLH to my knowledge has always stated that the fight would be at 160.

What I'm getting at is that Canelo never actually tried to drain a bigger opponent like Floyd & Cotto did.

 

It would sure be just desserts if Chavez defeats Canelo.

 

"I wash born yeddy"

 

That's what makes this so intriguing. We have no flipping clue how this is going to play out. Canelo is going up 10 lbs in weight which is a massive jump, to which hardly anybody is giving him credit for. In the past Canelo's natural advantages were observed on fight night. Liam Smith said it best, that he felt that he was bigger than Canelo at the weigh-in, but on fight night was surprised at how much bigger Canelo looked after rehydrating. He said he felt skinny compared to Canelo after feeling like he was bigger than him at the weigh-in. It will be very interesting to see how Canelo and Chavez matchup size wise tomorrow since they are both known for rehydrating a lot. But the difference is that Canelo may have already rehydrated like half of what he usually does (from weigh-in to fight night) at this weigh-in. So they both weighed in at 164, but chances are Chavez will rehydrate to something crazy like 180-185, while Canelo may only rehydrate to 170-175 since he usually weighs in at around 154. If there's ever a fight that same day weigh ins would be telling, this would be it. We should expect JCC Jr to probably outweigh Canelo by 10 pounds on fight night, which is a major advantage for Chavez.

 

Dude..I weigh 200 pounds and I'd drain myself down to 154 for Mayweather money. Any boxer would.

I am sure if I did a Google search I could find a quote from Canelo or someone from GB that said 155. I know I can find them where they have said Canelo is not a MW.