Who is the beat HW of all time H2H?

And I feel like an old foreman would have been able to knock out Lewis if he landed.

 

Good post, Vitali Klitschko is the most overrated heavyweight of all time, he is never number 1 h2h.

 

He wasn't clumsy. He had good skills.

I said that he was never vulnerable in a way that the likes of Lewis and Wlad were.

Do you seriously think that guys on the level of Rahman and McCall would have taken him out?

Do you seriously think that guys on the level of Brewster and Sanders would have taken him out? Obviously, we saw what happened against Sanders.

Vitali was much harder to beat.

You say we don't know how many shots he could have taken from big punchers. Yet we saw him take big punchers from the likes of Sanders and Lewis etc.

He may not have had the speed of Lennox and Wlad, but he was tougher than they were with a better chin.

Regarding Joshua, he still has question marks over his chin and his stamina.

Regarding Lewis-Vitali, Yes, we all know how it ended. He lost fair and square to the only SHW he faced. But you know that there was much more to it than that. Again: he was winning the fight, he wanted to continue, and Lennox would not give him a rematch. That speaks volumes to me. Before the fight, he was open to maybe fighting another 3-4 times. Yet after the fight, he never fought again. It seems obvious to me that he underestimated Vitali. If I was a huge fan Lewis', I wouldn't have been satisfied with that win. So: if you want to say Vitali was 0-1 against elite SHW's, that's fine. But Lennox never faced any other elite SHW's, and Wlad didn't face any. Yet they were both knocked out 5 times between them, by fighters who weren't elite.

 

Vitali is definitely up there for the reasons that I cited.

You want to place Wlad up there due to his resume.

Vitali proved that he was a more formidable HW.

He was much harder to beat.

I think he has to be in a list that contains the likes of: Lewis and Ali.

There's no way Wlad can be no.1. You can't have a guy like that at no.1, who fights in an ultra cautious manner, who was taken out by Brewster, Purrity and Sanders, and who was put on the deck by a big, but basic Sam Peter.

 

He was definitely clumsy at times, he had good skills but not exceptional skills and he was slow and had
no head movement, i find it funny how people are criticizing AJ for not having good head movement but
they are praising the skills of Vitali Klitschko at the same time who was one of the stiffest fighters of all time.

He kept his left too low and he was easy to hit for fighters with the same size.

He had a better chin but he did nothing else better than Lennox Lewis.

I don't think so because of his great chin but those guys are not really the type of fighters you want to compare
a h2h "number 1" with and Wlad and Lewis lost to them on their baddest days.

The chin is the only advantage he would have against them, so you want to put him as number one only
because he had a better chin ?

If AJ would fight the opposition of Vitali from now until the end of his career he would win every round against
them and he would knock them all out.

You have to consider that Lennox Lewis was nearly 38 years old and out of shape in this fight and he still beat
him, he was easy to hit in this fight.

 

I have never said that Wlad is number 1, what are you talking about ?

 

Okin129,

No, he didn't have have exceptional skills. But I think he was a great, all round package.

How could he have been one of the stiffest HW's of all time? He used to lean back and he had good upper body movement.

Although you could never label him as being fast, I wouldn't say he was particularly slow.

Yes, he was too arrogant at times. He could have tightened up. But he used that style to lure people in, as he was so confident of his own abilities.

He'd be alongside Lennox in my list.

Both of them had a lot of bad days.

No, I don't want to put him at no.1.

I just think it's a joke that many people rate Wlad higher. Because this is not based on resume. Vitali was always harder to beat than Wlad.

Vitali's chin wasn't his only advantage over Wlad. Vitali was also mentally stronger.

That comment is both ignorant and stupid at this stage.

The guy's only had 19 fights.

How on earth can you say he'd win every round against a guy like Byrd, before knocking him out?

What about Corrie Sanders?

What about Lennox?

A joke of a comment.

Beating Wlad last week, wouldn't guarantee that he'd have beaten Vitali's opposition with absolute ease.

Calm down, and be realistic.

Joshua looks great, and he had a great win. But he still has lots of questions to answer.

I can consider that. But it's not like Lennox was sat at home eating donuts before getting up from the sofa to go and fight.

Are you seriously satisfied that they didn't have a rematch?

Lennox won fair and square. It was an official win. But I don't think it was satisfactory due to the circumstances.

 

I wasn't talking about Lennox, i was talking about the fights that Vitali won and he would have beaten
Corrie Sanders and Chris Byrd in my opinion.

 

No, not you, others. But you rate Wlad above him on a H2H basis, and you don't believe that he belongs on a shortlist.

 

I have posted a list in no particular order and i think that Lennox,Wlad,Vitali,Bowe and Ali would have won the
most fights against other heavyweights from the past or the present but neither of them is unbeatable.

 

Jeez, if B-level HWs like McCall and Rahman could do it, virtually ANY ATG could shatter that suspect chin.

 

You think he'd have won every round against them, before knocking them out?

At this stage, we've no idea how he'd have coped with Byrd's movement and the power and the pressure that Sanders would have brought, especially if he'd have been up for it. Also, they were both obviously southpaws.

It's just far too early to be making those kinds of statements after only 19 fights.

 

Ali, Vitali and Lennox.

 

Probably not every round against those two but he would definitely win in my opinion, i don't think that it
would make a difference that both of them are southpaws.

AJ don't seem to struggle with southpaws, he fought against Charles Martin who is a southpaw although not a
good one but it wouldn't make a difference in my opinion.

It would only make a difference if both fighters would be on the same skill level and i think very highly of
Anthony Joshua.