Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

No....No go back a few posts I did mention his footwork. And having good, fleet footwork lets you get away with not bringing your hands back to your face. And if your feet and reflexes are Poo you best have a granite chin or be defensively sound.

 

I'm addressing your points about Primo's technical deficiencies in bringing his hands back, and pawing his jab.
It's only okay if you have Wlads footwork?

Here's the thing. Many fighters without the footwork of Wlad paw their jab out too.
Including George Foreman.
So that theory doesn't hold weight.

Here's another thing.
When you're a SHW with the style of Wlad or Primo, your jab has a bigger emphasis on defense.
You can use your arms as smoke screens and blockades.

Lastly, Carnera has an outside style like Wlad.
Which is why it would be normal to see someone of his size and style using his 85" jab in such a way.

 

Not for me he wasn't, Bowe could have been as good a heavyweight as Lennox Lewis if he had dedicated himself.Both would beat up on Carnera as Leroy Haynes did

 

To be honest I think it is perverse idiocy.

 

I think that Lennox Lewis would make fairly short work of Carnera, but I am honestly conflicted on how well Bowe would do.

The only time we saw Bowe in against a genuinely elite fighter his own size was in the Golotta fights, and they don't exactly inspire confidence.

I would favour Bowe if you put a gun to my head, but not with any real confidence.

 

This is certainly true IMO. I can see Carnera with his jab and stamina outboxing the lazy Bowe who preferred to languish inside. I see where you are going with this. Plausible.

 

I am trying to be fair to you here, but you are not providing very specific arguments in support of your own position, and you are insulting people who hold a different position.

Neither of these traits is a sign of strength.

We obviously have to be on different sides of this argument, but that does not mean that we have to be hostile.

It also doesn’t mean that we can’t both have a positive influence on the debate, by bringing new lines of evidence to bear.

 

I don't see Carnera doing anything other than taking a nasty beating against Bowe and I am not a fan of Bowe. While Carnera paws at bowe and tries to hold/wrestle him 1-2s would be hitting him in the face. You can't have a horrid defense/punching form like that without having quick feet/reflexes to get out of the way or an iron jaw and serious firepower. Even if carneras size gave him tremendous leeway in that regard against much smaller fighters, his size and strength advantage would be much less pronounced if not completely nullified against bowe. That makes him a very ordinary if not pedestrian fighter facing a puncher with very good stamina and much better(even if not great) skills

 

I am not sure how this relates to my post, but anyway:

Do you not see the problem here?

Bowe looked very beatable in his fights against a world class superheavyweight!

You accuse Carnera of feasting on smaller fighters, and I can throw that charge at Bowe in spades.

Carnera was pretty good on the inside himself by the way.

I gave Bowe the nod reluctantly, but I wouldn't bet mrkoolkevins money on it!

 

Like I said I was never a fan of bowe either

 

So if you had been, what could Carnera learn from him?

What outfighting skills might he teach Carnera, and when did he demonstrate them?