Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

For starters not dropping his hands to waist level when bringing them back

 

Carnera was outboxed for 6 rounds by moderate Impelletiere.Golota would stop Primo inside 10rounds.Impelletiere would not be competitive with Bowe.
How many rounds does Tommy Loughran go with a prime Bowe?

 

LMAO I'll be honest and say I haven't watched a ton of Primo, But if Primo had anywhere near those skills he would have had an epic trilogy with Joe Louis. That's all I'm going to say.

 

Against Holyfield, Bowe leaned in and fought toe to toe too much. Not using his size or reach. And made that fight way tougher than it had to be. An unfair critic would single this out.

If that had been Louis in there trading shots in the pocket all night?
Would be bad for Bowe imo.

 

Louis was staggered by conn in the pocket, bowe would turn his lights out

 

I disagree. Bowe was slicing Holyfield up on the inside but when Holyfield stepped out the handspeed difference was too great for Bowe to keep up. Holyfield picked up on this and exploited it in the second fight. Bowe would not have won an outside fight with Holyfield due to the sheer volume Holyfield could get off before he was able to counter. http://i.imgur.com/RtfgesE.mp4

Holyfield made that fight though. He had faster feet (perks of not carrying an extra 30 lbs) but chose to spend all night walking into a bigger, stronger, harder hitting opponent. Holyfield expected him to wilt at some point but Bowe never did. Its not easy to just use footwork and jab when dealing with a much faster guy who chooses to do this http://i.imgur.com/FZAHVyg.mp4

 

Bowe got staggered by Art Card.

Did you see all the shots he landed on Holyfield in the fight?
Evander took them pretty well.
Bowe is a high volume, fast compact puncher.
Not with bludgeoning power.
The in pocket trading would be a dangerous situation fighting a championship level, devastating puncher like Louis.

 

Holyfields chin is a damn sight better than Carnera's!

 

But that first gif is from round 1 right?
There were plenty of opportunities to create range when the pace slowed down later in the fight.

I mean, I trust that Bowe knew what he was doing, because he was in there.
I was more making a point as to how easy it is to point to a flaw, and make it into the big picture.

 

Bowe, from what I've read and seen, isn't known for his tremendous power.

A guy who fought and sparred with him, Tua, Wlad, Foreman, Lewis, said that Bowes's punches weren't much compared to the others.

In any weight class, standing toe to toe, constantly landing flurries of clean punches without staggering the other guy is usually a sign of a lack of power.
https://streamable.com/njtef

He lands many clean punches for a big man not be knocking people out, compared to his world class peers.
His punching style is oriented toward hand speed, volume, crafty timing and angles.
Not power. Trading with Louis on the inside relying on high volume punching would be dangerous. Those punches won't be enough to halt and stop a Louis attack, and he would be standing right there.

 

His punches weren't that much compared to those all time great punchers? I would agree with that but his power is significantly better than Carnera's.Do you think Carnera could drop Holyfield?
I didn't mention Louis.

 

Louis/Bowe was the subject you responded to.

Bowe's power isn't significantly better than Carnera's.
What would be your basis for that?

I wouldn't bet on Carnera dropping Holyfield.
It's possible though. Holyfield was also leaning in a lot. If Carnera catches him with an uppercut like he caught Sharkey with, I don't see many people standing after that.

The way Bowes's body moves when he punches looks scary.
But the actual impact of the punches don't seem to match.
Holyfield has his gloves down, and Bows is essentially wailing free overhand rights that aren't doing much. You would expect punches like those to snap Holyfields head back at the very least, but there's not much there.

It would look comical seeing Carnera wail on a much smaller guy like that, with little to no effect, with a 1930 camera.

 

No I was responding to this statement by you.

"Did you see all the shots he landed on Holyfield in the fight?
Evander took them pretty well.
Bowe is a high volume, fast compact puncher.
Not with bludgeoning power".
I just pointed out that Holyfield had a much better chin than Carnera, which seems a reasonable and valid comment to me. If Bowe had been hitting Carnera with those punches it would have been a different story.
I'd be astonished if Carnera could drop Holyfield,espially given the fighters he couldn't put a dent in!

Look Comical? Take a squint at the Loughran fight.
Last time I looked Holyfield was 6'2.5"and 213lbs and the only man to stop him in his prime and until he was 41 years old, was Riddick Bowe! punchers like Lewis ,Foreman, and Tyson could not drop him.