Valuev in the early 30 s?

I take it you are not familiar with the bogus draw? Sharkey was the better.

"A game fighting heart, which was enough to offset his opponent's great physical superiority, enabled Mickey Walker, New Jersey, to earn a draw here Wednesday night with Jack Sharkey, Boston, in a 15 round fight for the American heavyweight championship. The Bostonian ( Sharkey ) was much the better boxer and took little punishment. He left the ring unmarked while Walker's face was covered with the blood which streamed from a cut above his left eye, suffered in the 5th round. For once in his life Sharkey did not blow up. He has no alibi of an "off" night. He fought perhaps as well as anytime in his career, but he was unable to land a knockout punch. He staggered the comparatively diminutive Walker on several occasions, particularly in the 12th round, but Walker was too rugged and too game to go down. Sharkey's efforts were enough to win him the vote of Judge Kelley, but Referee Donovan gave the decision to Walker. And Judge Charles F. Mathison called the contest a draw." - United Press

• Unofficial UP scorecard: 7-3-5 for Sharkey

Now HerolGee, do you still think it was a draw?

 

anything to escape your miserable loss of argument again eh?

 

Levinksy would not be ranked in Valuev's time either, and its clear Valuev beat better name guys.

While I greatly disagree with your assessment, I want to point out that Walker's record at heavyweight is full of losses. You seem to greatly discount losses in your rankings, I think they matter.

What was it exactly was Walker's record as a heavyweight? To be in the top 100, it would have to be a winning one and clear of numerous draws and losses in my book. Beating Roosebloom is a nice accomplishment, but it was a light heavyweight fight, not a heavyweight fight, and my hunch is it was a styles thing.

 

LOL, did you read the write-up? Sharkey owned him, cut him badly, and staggered Walker several times. The report clearly mentioned Sharkey took little punishment. How could such a fight be a draw?

DUH. Did you not read the AP score, how many rounds did they give Walker?

Fights are not scored on heart, which Walker had plenty of.

 

I haven't seen enough film to make an accurate statement.

 

your thinking isnt done by your head either, madoza.

 

McGrain - That is conjecture and of no interest to me.

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Crucial here is level of competition. Walker losing to Schmeling matters, but it also matters that Valuev never met a fighter comparable to Schmeling era on era. When he met fighters who vaguely approached this level, he was beaten.

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He beat him above the light-heavyweight limit.

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I'd guess he is as familiar with Walker's heavyweight exploits as anyone here.His choice isn't outlandish, it's just not mine.I haven't seen the Sharkey fight,but it was in Boston Sharkey's home town ,which just might be relevant.
Rosenbloom was 178lbs when Walker beat him so technically you could call him a heavyweight for that fight at that time.The fact that he has to be brought up to bolster a heavyweight resume probably indicates that resume is pretty shallow.imo

 

I agree, and can agree with you. I think Walker's grit and style won him the day over the slap and run Rosenbloom. It was a styles thing, and 178 is far from heavyweight.

I just see an uneven approach / formula to McGrain's formula. But he has put some work into it.

 

Valuev existed in his own bubble. In his bubble, Ruiz was the top dog and Champion of the division. He beat him, became the man, and cleaned house. Monte Barrett, Owen Beck, McCline, and a 50 year old Holyfield were the leading contenders, he beat them all. In his bubble, He never lost the title to Chageav, he lost it to David Haye, a passing of the torch moment.

Klitschko Brothers, Brewster, Rahman, Peter, Toney...etc didn't exist in the Valuev bubble, and it's there loss.

Could Valuev in the 30s carve out his own bubble and rule with an iron fist, I don't think so.

 

From my point of view, barely north of the light heavyweight division is far from heavyweight. About 30 pounds or so, based on the average weight of the heavyweight contenders of the time.

If 30 pounds for you is not a lot in boxing when a fighter is in shape, we have a difference of opinion.

I get it--back then light heavies with speed and skill, roughly the same height and reach of 200-pound heavyweights could fight them and sometimes do well, but that evaporates once the smaller man gives up a lot of height and reach.

 

Technically speaking 176lbs v 178bs was two heavyweights, but you can see the reason for a divergence of opinion.