Is Golovkin an ATG if he beats Canelo?

It will only mean Canelo was a cab driver all along.

 

Why is GGG an ATG?

* He has the second most successful number of title defenses in division history (18), behind only Hopkins' 20.
* He has what will soon be (before the Canelo fight) the third longest title reign in division history (7 years), behind only Tommy Ryan (8+ years) and Hopkins (10+ years).


If any other middleweight had those two accomplishments, he would be an all-time great as well. Add to that an undefeated professional record up to this point and it's a no-brainer that Golovkin is one of the best middleweights of all time.

Golovkin is also climbing up the charts of most title fights/title defenses won by knockout.

There's no putting the cat back in the bag. Golovkin has been great for some time now.

Canelo is merely another notch on Golovkin's Hall Of Fame belt, win or lose. A fight against, and a win over, Canelo was never needed to cement Golovkin's place in boxing history.

 

You missed the most important point. His opposition was not great. A lot of those title challengers would not even have been contenders back in the day.

 

Roy did not cheat/have an unfair artifical chemical advantage. If you informed yourself you would know that the substance he tested positive for was legal, not banned by the WBA or WBC(just tested for by the state of Indiana) and found in his opponents system at twice the amount of Roy but that didnt do Richard Hall alot of good now did it?

 

It doesn't matter. The numbers and stats matter.

It's just like having a great HW champion during a 'down' era. No matter how much the competition supposedly sucked, you still have to give the guy his due.

You can only fight the guys that are there, in that era, who will fight you.

Based upon what Golovkin has achieved, already, he's an all-time great. Not because I say so, but because the numbers and accomplishments say so.

 

He won 2 out of the 3 belts outside of the ring(lol) and the third came from a guy with ZERO defenses. Belts mean nothing, statistics mean nothing. What counts is who you beat, at what stage of their career you beat them and how you beat them. Statistics can be a product of clever matchmaking and deep pockets. But if you beat a great or elite fighter then you deserve your dues.

 

Don't waste your time Contro, dude wants to low ball ATG's so he can make a point for GGG.

 

An ATG? I dunno, I'm not so sure and I love the guy. If you're speaking just in terms of Middleweight greats then I think the argument can then be made, probably more so on a H2H basis than anything else. It depends HOW he beats Canelo as much as anything.

 

Numbers and accomplishments say Sven Ottke is an ATG.

Repeating your fanboy driven rubbish over and over won't make what you say any more true. He has EIGHT defences.
Since GGG won that plastic trinket in 2008 , over 26 belt holders have come through the MW division and GGG beat no more than 3 of them.. Did you hear that returd.. THREE!!.
His plastic strap was about as relevant as the non-rankers he defended it against.


Numbers and accomplishments say Arthur Abraham is an ATG... 4th most successful defences in MW history and fought in a historic 25 world title fights.
Lets have it for Arthur Abhram - one of the greatest fighters that ever lived

You run along now stupid , before you make a fool out of your self even further.

 

Wrong.

That might be what matters to you, but it's not what matters to the boxing record books.

I might forget that Hagler drew with Vito Antuofermo in their first encounter, but I know Hagler had a heck of a long run as MW champ.

Off the top of my head, could I tell you that Hagler defended his title against Obelmejias, Lee and Sibson? Nope. But I know Hagler was a great fighter who had a long run as MW champ.

Golovkin's greatness has been cemented for some time. Much as Hopkins didn't need Dawson or Kovalev on his resume to be an all-time great, Golvokin doesn't need Canelo.

The deed is already done.

 

I will post no replies to Dinovelvet. He will get zero attention from me.

That's a trap I'm not falling into again.

 

LOL Boxing isnt baseball

 

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Can't imagine why ...

 

I'd say perhaps not - mostly because he hasn't had the defining career fights, though in terms of ability he is probably thereabouts.

If and Canelo manage a classic trilogy, and they might, I think both could be up there.