The 7ft elephant in the ring...

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Who wins? 6'6'', 250llbs Anthony Joshua vs 7'0'' 320llbs Nikolay Valuev?

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  1. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Joshua never faced a fighter with the skills and bravado of Ali niether..
     
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  2. drenlou

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    I'd say he would be around 215-220, he'd look a lot closer to Holyfield in his prime as a heavyweight.
     
  3. James Smith

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    Joshua beat Wlady, who is far more skilled than Ali ever was.
     
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  4. drenlou

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    Alright man, I'm done.. lol
     
  5. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    @James Smith you didn't answer this question, so I'll ask again...

    "But you took the size factor out of the equation when deciding Joshua would beat Valuev. How come you can do that only when it suits?

    So affording Ali the same luxury you afforded Joshua in a hypothetical match up with Valuev, are you saying Joshua beats Ali because he has a better skill set? I assume you think AJ overcomes a 4ins and 70llbs disadvantage against Valuev because of talent? Couldn't Ali's talent bridge the physical disadvantages compared to AJ in exactly the same way?"
     
  6. Staminakills

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    Because AJ is an ELITE 6'6" 250lb hw while Ali was a elite 6'3" (truthfully closer to 6 flat than listed 6'3")

    Just like a good big man beats a good little, a great big beats a great little. How is this so hard for the simpletons to grasp.

    Ali and Aj are both elite level hw, size DOES MATTER, that's a fact. Ali could beat many fighters Aj'a size, that's fighters NOT on Aj talent level.

    Holy lord, omfgWTF!!!
     
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  7. James Smith

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    The problem with your argument is Joshua beat Wlady. Wlady beat Haye easily, who beat Valuev. Valuev was never the top heavyweight, Joshua is.

    This has nothing to do with size, we don't even need to talk about size to see which one is better, we know.

    That is why Valuev vs Whyte is more sensible. We already know Joshua is better than Valuev.
     
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  8. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Exactly
     
  9. Staminakills

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    I think you're totally crazy
     
  10. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Thank you and goodnight...
     
  11. drenlou

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    I could be, but I just dont think that size necessarily beats skills on any given day.
     
  12. Okin129

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    No, he couldn't because Muhammad Ali wasn't better than AJ to the same extent that AJ is better than Valuev
    ever was.

    Anthony Joshua is a specimen, he has the perfect size and athleticism for his fighting style, he has fast hands,
    amazing power, great combination punching, good footwork for his size and a better chin than Ali.

    The only advantages Ali would have are his footwork, his speed and maybe his ring iq, this wouldn't be enough
    for him to win the fight.
     
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  13. James Smith

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    That is just pathetic, if you are cherry picking just that part of a quote.

    It's like saying that 7ft fat bum on the street can not beat the heavyweight champion, so size does not matter.

    We know where Joshua is at and Valuev is at, that is why this argument is stupid.
     
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    Valuev was 7ft 300 pounds of trash.
     
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  15. Staminakills

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    WTF, AH no.

    You're really trying to make your case with the following
    Aj v snv
    Aj v Ali?????????????

    Even everything being 100% equal, the bigger fighter will beat the smaller fighter, Lord.

    Aj and Ali are 2 of the most gifted hw's EVER.
    Aj just started so just stfu with all your accomplishments blah blah.

    The reason Aj, 'LL, wlad and vitali beat Ali on a consistent basis is because the much bigger fighters are also ELITE hw champions.

    Ali would beat snv for crying out phucking loud.
    Get a grip children
     
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