"Technique"

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Do you guys believe that technique encompasses one "right way" to box?

    Or do you guys consider technique to be high refined moves and actions that help you in boxing?

    For instance, do you just agree that Ali had bad technique?
    And how do you compare the level of technique between guys like Byrd and Tyson, who are so stylistically different?

    I think many people have different interpretations on this, and maybe a thread like this will bring more clarity.
     
  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Some technique is universal to all boxers, some is specific to individual boxers' talents and deficiencies. Not all fighters should fight the same way, tall and short, fast and not so fast, long and not so long... they require different emphasis in technical training and strategy.

    I put more importance on reflexes, timing, distance perception and stamina. But that's just me.
     
  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    So it's a little bit of both? It's universal and also individualistic?
    But things like reflexes and timing are more important?
    I agree with that completely.
     
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  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tyson and Byrd aren't very different in technical terms. They're different in tactical terms since Tyson was a squat and very powerful fighter. But both hold their hands in a high guard, both slip and duck, both work off the jab, both have a quite proper footwork (there's a tactical difference in that Tyson probably puts more emphasis in cutting off the ring, though).

    When looking at Loma, Rigo and Ward for example - most things are quite similar. They all use the main tenants within some individual variations, with the main difference being that Loma and Rigo are southpaws and Ward orthodox.

    And good technique is in no way in opposition to reflexes, timing and boxing iq. Best is to have all of them.

    As for Ali, he had great balance and accuracy in throwing his punches and combinations. He could also display some really good textbook movement and at times even textbook head movement. When he slowed down he also started to become somewhat disciplined with his guard (watch Manilla, for example). But then he had a lot of unorthodox moves who always was a bit of walking the tightrope. It almost went south against Jones and Cooper and did against Frazier and Norton. Futch masterminded Norton's victory on the very flaws he saw in Ali's technique, for example.
     
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    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They have very different technique.
     
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    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How? You think they throw punches differently? Have differing guards and head movement (Tyson has a peek-a-boo guard, but it's not that different from the high guard Byrd utilizes against Vitaly)?

    Tyson is obviously much more aggressive, but that's tactics.
     
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    Variations On A Theme By Paganini.lol
     
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    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, different punching technique. As far as the defense, Byrd relied was more of a slickster and relied more on upper body movement. Tyson's style was based on head movement and feet positioning.
     
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  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Over my years of being a boxing fan I've decided all that stuff is meaningless.

    It's more about winnability. Should Rocky have just bore down on everyone he fought throwing none stop power punches? Probably not but he did anyway and it worked.

    Should sweet pea have crossed his legs when he was spinning away, probably not but he did anyway and it worked.

    Should Jones have fought with his hands so low? Probably not by he did anyways and it worked.

    Etc.
     
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  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Hard to disagree with any of this. Might go without saying but I'd add ring IQ and coordination to the list at the end.
     
  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Uppe body movement? Did he roll punches?

    And ad for punching technique, there are really proper technique and the rest. Tyson had quite proper technique, didn't Byrd? Was he an arm puncher?

    Sure, Tyson probably put more mustard behind his punches, but that's primarily a tactic for me.
     
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  12. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jones might have lasted longer with proper technique for one.

    Nunn probably wouldn't have lost to Toney. Ali quite possibly wouldn't have lost until at least Spinks.

    You can obviously do very well even though you break some basic principles of boxing technique, but you can do even better if you don't.
     
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    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    They had very different punch styles.
    Primarily, Tysons punches had a huge shoulder snap, and his punches were like steel rods hitting you. Byrd didn't throw punches with that force or snap.
     
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    In top echelons of professional boxing, good technique is anything that is working.
    Great champions don't have "poor technique". They might (and probably will) have individualised technique, and use techniques you wouldn't want to teach a beginner or someone without the same experience and talent.
    But they don't have poor technique.

    The great thing about top quality boxing is the variations in styles, the idosyncracies of the top fighters, their individual tecniques they employ.

    ALL techniques can be countered though, whether it from the texbook or something individualised a top pro employs.
     
  15. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Exactly, I agree 100% Legend.
     
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