Who is the beat HW of all time H2H?

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Who is the best HW of all time in H2H

  1. Lennox

    36 vote(s)
    23.7%
  2. Ali

    48 vote(s)
    31.6%
  3. Wlad

    20 vote(s)
    13.2%
  4. Louis

    2 vote(s)
    1.3%
  5. Holmes

    5 vote(s)
    3.3%
  6. Johnson

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Tyson

    10 vote(s)
    6.6%
  8. Vitali

    24 vote(s)
    15.8%
  9. Another modern SHW(name)

    3 vote(s)
    2.0%
  10. Another smaller older ATG(name)

    4 vote(s)
    2.6%
  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You said that Joshua would win every round against Vitali's opponents before knocking them out.

    Go and have a look.

    You obviously exaggerated at the time.

    How do you know Joshua has the perfect style to have beaten those guys?

    How do you know after 19 fights?

    I can accept your opinion. That's what debating is all about. But give me something.
     
  2. Okin129

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    This was clearly an exaggeration, i wasn't talking about Corrie Sanders or Chris Byrd.

    Anthony Joshua had a perfect gameplan against southpaw Charles Martin, he countered the right jab with his
    right hand and it worked perfectly for him, i recommend you to see the fight.

    Corrie Sanders would have a chance to overwhelm him in the first 4 rounds but he would run into the knife
    against Anthony Joshua.

    AJ is not a cautious fighter like Wlad, he would counter his onslaugths with superior combination punching,
    this is still a combat sport, the stronger puncher wins the exchanges, simple as that.

    You can't expect that Corrie Sanders would try to overwhelm him and Anthony Joshua would do nothing about
    it, he would give him hell.

    Corrie Sanders was not as special as you maybe think he was, i wouldn't give him a big chance to beat a fighter
    like Anthony Joshua.

    I don't think we need to talk about Chris Byrd, he would have no chance, simply put.
     
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  3. Loudon

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    Okay, so you exaggerated. No problem. We all do it.

    I've seen the Martin fight. It has no relevance. He didn't even want to fight. That does not tell us how Joshua would deal with all southpaws.

    I don't think Corrie was special. But he had the attributes and the mindset to cause guys an awful lot of problems when he was on it.

    We don't know how Joshua deals with the pressure that he put Wlad and Vitali under. Of course Joshua would have reacted. But how? This is why the jury's still out. Having a shootout with a guy like Corrie is extremely dangerous. Look at the shots Wlad and Vitali took. We don't know at this stage how composed, if at all, Joshua would be.
     
  4. GALVATRON

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    you clearly never watched the fight Byrd was getting out punched and was lucky vitali had injury...either way based on one fight from non power puncher that Wlad beat twice....its clear as day the fight says nothing about Vitali H2h when we have stronger fighters that Vitali defeated or was winning against.Faded Evander was peded up and at his heaviest as he WAS when he defeated Bowe as well...you dont know what you are talking about.

    Lewis also fights to the tempo in a safe pace at times,holyfield being competitve also proves little...who exactly blew Holyfield out ever?

    you dont base fighters H2H OFF of who they beat in general ,you place them with LIKE opposition/skill sets and physical capabilities as well as time period or certain x factors like cornerman/motivation/ ...etc.......that's your lesson for today AGAIN...lol

    :eatingburger
     
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  5. Okin129

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    How do you want to know that Charles Martin didn't even want to fight ?

    I think it was more the case that AJ was far superior in every aspect and Charles Martin couldn't do anything
    against him.
     
  6. Loudon

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    Go and see for yourself.

    He was a rabbit caught in the headlights, and his attempt to beat the count was pathetic. He knew exactly what he was doing. We've all seen it a thousand times before. He deliberately stayed down when he could have gotten up, and then he tried to claim that the ref had got the count wrong and that he was ready to continue. It's the oldest trick in the book to try and save face.

    The fight was a joke.
     
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  7. TONI_CLIFTON

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    The answer to this question is clearly Great Britain's Lennox Joy Sinclair Lewis.
     
  8. Okin129

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    And why do you think he didn't get up ?

    I think because he knew he had no chance.
     
  9. GALVATRON

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    Anyone can make excuses,he knew he was in trouble from the first minute gone bye...Joshua even claimed he would blast him out quickly ,possibly rnd one bc he wanted to replicate Tyson's performance against Berbick. Joshua has that counter right,and Martin if anything was relatively fast.Aj will always have an advantage over south paws,hes too fast and explosive when someone is there for the right hand. he would have hit the floor again ,it would matter little.

    lets see if anyone gives Martin such a fast loss...i doubt it.

    Martin didnt want the fight? He challenged joshua...makes no sense!
     
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  10. Loudon

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    Of course.

    He obviously didn't want the fight in the first place, and was only in the ring that night by default.

    All of which means that it's of no relevance to our debate that he was a southpaw.

    Beating Charles Martin, does not give us a true indication of how Joshua would handle a dangerous southpaw.
     
  11. Okin129

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    This is exactly what i'm trying to explain the whole time that AJ has the perfect style to beat southpaws.
     
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  12. Loudon

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    Everybody expected him to blast him out early.

    My initial point, was that beating a southpaw in Martin, doesn't give us an indication of how he may have fared against the likes of Sanders and Byrd.
     
  13. Loudon

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    Based on a blow out of Martin?
     
  14. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    not really half of so called EXPERTS were split.Some MODs on here too,from what i saw in past posts.

    If/when he fights ortiz you will see just how effective.
     
  15. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It will just be another boxing 101 common sense lesson! either way the left field counter arguments will ALWAYS be there....just stick with common sense and it comes easy knowing what you are talking about.