Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

In truth, The uppercut Joshua made famous to turn his fight around against Wlad was comparable to the uppercut that Primo wiped out Jack Sharkey with.

 

nor does it mean that those today are the embodiment of what would be successful in Primos time, if you are true then the opposite claim is equally true.

 

The older super heavy's consisted of third raters imo, the first three I would say that were above that were Carnera ,just,Buddy Baer ,and Abe Simon,Simon was not as good a boxer as Carnera but he was more durable. I'd pick Buddy Baer to beat Carnera.

 

I am not convinced by the Sharkey ko.I am positive the Joshua punch landed and with kayo force.

Louis ,Loughran and Gains didnt agree,and Sharkey said his record was "suspect".
If his kayos were all legit why isn't he in the top 100 punchers list? Why is he never referred to by experts as a big puncher?

 

You're right. It seems that we as a forum just recently learned that Carnera definitely landed a solid, huge uppercut on Sharkey to win the title.

 

You could find some good sources that say Bowe didn't hit hard either. But I'm guessing many of the people who voted for him here consider him a hard puncher.

From the footage, Primo does the damage with his punches you would expect from a SHW his size. He moved Gains entire body with a tap to the mid section. His jabs and straights smashed Baers head back, the way a SHWs power should. The Sharkey KO was absolutely brutal. The Campolo knockdowns looked painful.

Many SHWs punches don't look as strong as they are. Case in point Wlads KO over Chambers. From most angles, it looks like the hook barely touches him, and sleeps him. Its reasonable to assume that contemporaries at the time didn't understand the physical nature of SHW boxing as well as we do today.

Also, there was clearly a large bias against Carnera by the American writers of the day.

 

I also hear lots of criticism against Primo for suspected foul play in some of his wins.

But what about his losses? There seems to have been foul play in many of those that I haven't seen mentioned.

And also there are things like wearing bigger gloves in his match against Gains that nobody seems to find significant.

 

If you buy the punch as being legit ,though you can't actually see it land. Wonder why he never duplicated that feat?

 

The bias from the writers was responsible for so much of the cliches about big guys, many of whom were as good as the big guys who are ruling the division today.

 

Why don't you tell us all about it ,I'm sure we are prepared to be educated?

 

Name the big guys of the 30's who were as good as:
Wlad
Vitali
Lewis
Wilder
Joshua

 

I think third raters could be hasty. They fought as well as much of the new guys we have now. They were even more active.

Look at these records and film and the statements of champions that we have access to now rather than what colourful writers of the day decided upon.