Fighters that were beat before the fight.?

By not training and taking the fight serious enough he beat himself.

Of course fighters who were beat before the fight were beaten in the fight.

 

On that basis, countless Boxers could claim to have been beaten before the fight then, even retrospectively, with excuses based on how badly their camp went - for one reason or another.

It's not the same as being beaten by fear, before the first bell rings, though, is it? And, Louis wasn't beaten by fear; neither before nor during a bout.

^Is this a really poor attempt by you to be clever? Or, have you genuinely missed the point of the OP?

 

That's why I specified my reasoning for listing him.

 

Either way, I don't think you can seriously suggest Louis was beaten before the fight. Especially, when it appears that almost a full 12 rounds of competitive Boxing and several dozen right-hands from Schmeling were quite clearly the more likely cause of Louis getting beaten.

 

I am plainly saying that Louis didn't train as hard and didn't take the Schmeling fight as seriously as he should have. Because of this he was doomed against a fighter like Max Schmeling. Schmeling brought his A game Louis didn't and he payed for it.

 

I know what you're plainly saying.
And I'm plainly disagreeing with it.
You might just as well have claimed that 'Fate' meant that Louis was beaten before the fight.

 

You can say that 'Fate' meant all of these guys were beaten before the fight.

I'd rather analyze the facts.

 

That was my point.

What actual facts - not hearsay - have you presented?

If you can prove the alleged lack of seriousness taken by Louis Schmeling and then directly tie this to a rationale, which supports Louis having been beaten by Schmeling before the fight, I'd be glad to read it.

 

That Joe Louis didn't take the fight seriously and didn't train as hard. Those are facts, not made up opinions.

 

Yeah - can you supply the evidence, which proves this to be a fact and then tie this to a rationale, which supports Louis having been beaten by Schmeling before the fight? Thanks.

 

Your telling me you've never seen any documentaries or read any books about Joe Louis? C'mon its common knowledge.

I'll go lookin' around and if I find anything I'll put it here.

 

I would say Six Heads was pretty much a beaten man going into the fight he quit in to avoid crapping his pants.

 

There's really no need, because I think you're referring to allusions made to Louis' preference for practicing his golf swing. A nice aside but, it does not equate to a measurable fact that this impacted his performance in the first Schmeling bout. It is only speculation.


Far more widely espoused and provable, in terms of its direct and observed impact on the bout, is that Schmeling sought to and did indeed exploit a flaw in Louis' game.


So it's more reasonable to suggest that Louis, at that relatively early stage of his career, was beaten by a superior strategy and experience in the ring than it is to state he was beaten before the fight.

 

Recently, Chavez vs Canelo

 

Of course Schmelings game plan made a big impact but imo Louis could have done better had he taken the fight more serious. I just don't think that Joe was destined to lose that night.