Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

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Who was the better all-around fighter, Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

  1. Primo Carnera

  2. Riddick Bowe

  3. They were equally good all-around fighters

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Surely to god we can make some allowance for his performance in the Leroy Haynes fights?
     
  2. he grant

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    So it's a conspiracy ? Every major columnist of the past eighty years ?
     
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    Here's how Bowe was better.

    He was a much better puncher.
    He had a much more effective jab although that was Primo's best offensive weapon.
    He was a much better combination puncher.
    He was a much better body puncher.
    He defeated much better opposition.
    He took a better punch although again Primo is under rated in this category.

    That's for starters ...
     
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  4. janitor

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    None of this necessarily makes him better.

    For example having a better jab is not much help, if you don't see it to impose range on your opponents.

    The elephant in the room here is that Carnera made effective use of his height reach advantage, and Bowe simply didn’t.

    Defeated much better opposition?

    You basically mean that he defeated Holyfield.

    Once we start lining up the second, third, and fourth best people they beat, Carnera takes it on depth quite handily.
     
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  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Except when he didn't...
     
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  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    This is incorrect. Having a far superior jab offers a number of advantages for a skilled heavy-handed puncher, other than simply keeping one's opponent at a distance.
     
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  7. janitor

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    At least he understood in principle that this was optimum style for him.

    Let’s start with that.
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Ok. Since this is your third or fourth non-response, I have to conclude that you are either unwilling or unable to watch and critique the footage that I provided at your request. It doesn't make any sense to shift to your followup queries until we've addressed the Carnera footage. It is obviously your prerogative to continue to ignore my footage in order to resist the process of acknowledging Carnera's obvious shortcomings relative to Bowe and others. But you must admit that it's somewhat ironic, given that you're the one who characterized those who disagree with you on this thread as being ideologues who don't care about film evidence!
     
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  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Did he?
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    What would the footage prove if I agreed with you?
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes, quite obviously so!
     
  12. reznick

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    It better have been a MacBook!
     
  13. he grant

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    This this why I don't take you seriously .. pure last word freak gibberish. So boring.
     
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  14. janitor

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    I am sorry that you see it that way.
     
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    And again ... LOL