Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

From what I saw of them Bowe by a long way.

 

The Walter Neusel fight made Tommy Farr. After Braddock ducked Schmeling, Europe wanted to strip him. It was that Neusel win that put Tommy into the max Baer elimination fight for a vacant title with Schmeling for the Euro version of the World title. Jacobs scuppered that fight by matching Farr with Joe Louis. Nonetheless, this explains the stature of Neusel AFTER the loss to Carnera.

 

At least we don't have to resort to hectoring, insults, and loudly congratulating ourselves on winning the debate in the hopes that people will believe it.

We a comfortable enough with our argument to put it out there and let people makes up their own minds.

 

Your obsession with the deliberate embroidering of facts is becoming really pathetic.

 

No need for of us to resort to anything.Or to hope the people will believe it
The people have spoken.60 voted against you and 8 for you. Or perhaps you consider this explainable too?

 

except Carnera was on a great run, he'd just beat Neusel. perhaps nobody could understand the first loss to Haynes. What if Carnera was much higher regarded by that generation of fight fans and they needed to see if it was a fluke that Primo really could lose to Haynes? Or are you sugesting the 1930s fans were so bloodthirsty they came out in droves to watch a guaranteed slaughter?

 

Neusel certainly had a good run.

However, of his wins that you list in the build up to Carnera, if we take the year before he faced Carnera, the Levinsky win was a close split decision and scored so, mainly on account of Levinsky's fouling tactics. This, despite him having had Neusel down early in the bout.

The Loughran bout, afterward, but still over a year before Neusel met Carnera, was controversial. A razor thin decision that divided the crowd and even had Max Baer entering the ring to declare it a robbery. It also just happened to coincide with one of Loughran's worst years ever, registering 1-4-1.

After Loughran, Neusel took an absolute tonking from Schmeling and dropped out of the rankings.

To my mind then, the value of Carnera's win over Neusel depends on how much credit you really want to give Neusel for his victories over Jack Petersen. Neither bout had Petersen's Commonwealth Title on the line and each occasion saw Petersen quit. Moreover, in the second meeting, Petersen was giving up 20lbs and was still reported as having inflicted "severe punishment" on Neusel.

Was Neusel at the peak of his game by 1935 - I think not.

Despite going on to win 25 more times, he never fought for a World Title again and his three attempts at the European Championship failed - all three times losing to Heinz Lazek. Neusel, following his loss to Schmeling had more or less been reduced to a domestic Champion.

His win over a 42-Year-Old Schmeling, when Neusel himself was 40, is hardly worthy of mention.

 

No! What made Farr a viable proposition as a challenger to Louis was his victory over Max Baer 3 months before he had beaten Neusel!
Embroidering again!

 

So how exactly would it have embroidered my argument to make it look like Max Baer said this a few months earlier than he did?

The implications would presumably have been exactly the same?

 

No! What made Farr a viable proposition as a challenger to Louis was his victory over Max Baer 3 months before he had beaten Neusel!
Embroidering again!

This is all entertaining conjecture unsupported by any semblance of facts.

 

Pray tell...

 

It doesn’t need explaining.

The people on this forum grew up watching Bowe, and have only a sketchy understanding of Carnera's career, so the mountain was always going to be ours to climb.

Unless you think that everybody was all for Carnera until they were swayed by the persuasive nature of your arguments.

 

No , this in incorrect because your intention was to imply that Carnera was more highly regarded than Louis whilst Baer was champion and since Louis did not turn professional until a month a after Baer won the title,it means either that you had your time dates seriously askew or you were being deliberately mis-leading,and only you know the answer to that.

 

Many of the posters here grew up watching Bowe ,very true. Does that mean they place him above Louis,Liston, Ali,Marciano? No.
Your logic is seriously flawed.
I think the other 79 who voted against your argument are posters that made their own minds up from the evidence that is generally available to them from film footage ,primary sourced quotes ,and books they have read.Just as I did!
I take no credit for them recognizing the blatantly obvious.

 

Betting interest can be affected by consumer demographics, the location of betting shops, and the economic cycle amongst other things.