Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

I bet you're wrong!

 

Your statement means what exactly?
Was Neusel a better fighter than any that Bowe beat?
How about Holyfield was he better than him?
Hide?
How many of Neusel's fights have you watched?

 

Come on, dokes and Furguson were dead men walking by the time Bowe fought them!

 

We would have to assume that Neusel was at his peak going into the Schmeling fight, since this is the high point of his ranking.

He had not lost since the Schmeling fight when Carnera beat him, so we are probably still looking at a pretty good version.

 

Over the previous 9 years Dokes had lost 2 fights out of 26 ,to Ruddock and Holyfield.
Since the Ruddock loss, 3 years prior to the Bowe fight Dokes had won 9 straight.

Who would you say are Neusel's best scalps?

 

This just hyped me.
Let's go Champ!!

 

bowe did not sucsessfuly defend his undisputed title to relevant contenders.

 

Schmeling. They were close in age so it's the same as the Hopkins v Jones rematch or the Holmes v Smith rematch. After that I think Poreda and Gains and Foord were good scalps. If you watch the Peterson fight you will see what a good boxer Peterson was.

 

Care to answer my question or will you avoid it again?

 

Schmeling was 42, with a bad knee and back from parachuting into Crete ,he had engaged in 3 fights in the last 10 years!
"In a listless 10 round fight studded with clinches, 40 year old Walter Neusel defeated Max Schmeling, 42 year old former world heavyweight champion, yesterday. Neither Neusel, nor Schmeling struck any telling blows but Neusel hit Max more frequently. A crowd of 40,000 including British troops and a handful of American soldiers from Bremen saw the fight in Hamburg's outdoor stadium." -Associated Press

This is Neusel's best win!

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Neither Foord, Poreda,or Peterson were ranked.
Peterson was a blown up light heavy ,in one of the Neusel fights he weighed 177lbs! He was a domestic level fighter.
Like I said,no credibility.

 

O.F Snelling writing about the best British fighters he ever saw in 70 years:

"The best heavyweight I ever saw was Jack Petersen and he'd only box as a cruiser today. He was the fastest big fellow I can remember. He came out from the first bell straight into the attack, and he never stopped. And what a puncher! I'd have backed him against Bruce Woodcock – both at their best. People who follow the game to a slight extent and believe most of what they read in the papers, have made Henry Cooper and Frank Bruno national heroes. Those people who are really aware of what's going on up there in the ring know different. While I wish both men good luck, they were never really great."

Neusel beat Jack Peterson three times.

 

I know, I also know Peterson was never a real heavyweight , not even for those times and never a world class fighter.
We are talking about the world stage not how Fred Snelling ranks the British heavyweights!

 

King Levinsky, Natie Brown, and Don McCorkindale were all in the end of year rankings, for the year in which he beat them.

His best scalp was probably Levinsky, who seemed to hang in the rankings like a bad smell.

 

If we do assume this and with the knowledge that Neusel got hammered by Schmeling then we can rule out Neusel, as being any kind of heir apparent. When we factor in his tight outings against Levinsky and Loughran, prior to that, then I think it is fair to suggest that, at this point, he had reached the highest level of success he was ever going to. This was his cusp of being something special.

After Schmeling, he could only muster a draw, on his return, to Len Harvey; in a bout that some say should have gone to Harvey. Of his two victories over Jack Petersen, Petersen quit in each meeting but, the second encounter appears to have a strange ending. Petersen, who was 20lbs lighter than Neusel was giving Neusel a beating but just refused to come out for the eleventh.

Against Carnera, Neusel essentially quit .


With no film and reports that tell of close fights with strange endings and lighter men, this begs the questions:-
- Was Neusel all that good by the time he faced Carnera in '35?
- Was Neusel ever really that good, at all?


I'd say Neusel was a game fringe contender, who'd had a good bit of luck to even get to the likes of Schmeling and Carnera, in the first place.

 

Unfortunately for your point . Neusel never beat McCorkindale or Brown.