Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

You seem to be claiming some kind of moral victory based on the fact that the majority opinion at the start of the debate is still the majority opinion.

If you are confident in the strength of your arguments then they should speak for themselves.

 

Indeed - that's massive. If something like that happened today, the little guy would be owned by the medical science community.

And, while I am not a huge fan of Vitali, the man was virtually impossible to put down, as a professional boxer. I think Sanders looked the most likely to do it, weighing in at 235 to Vitali's 245.

 

Personally speaking, I'm very confident they have!
A slimmer ,younger, Primo being fondled .

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Then why don’t you just say:

"Thank you for your contribution gentlemen, we have laid out the arguments, and it is up to people to make their minds up".

Or just say nothing serene in the knowledge that nobody is likely to be influenced by what we have written.

 

Vitali had a top chin no doubt about it.

 

Young Stribling would have bulked up to 210lbs today, if not more.

Hard to say what exactly, but he certainly wouldn’t have fought Fury at 195.

 

I've already stated I don't think anyone has been influenced by anything I have posted and I don't see any new adherents flocking to your banner.
This is not my thread so its not for me to call time on it, it can run into perpetuity for all I care.

 

We are discussing the 195lbsStribling that knocked Carnera down ,not some hypothetical version.
You find it," hard to say",what the reaction of the press would be if a 195lbs fighter knocked down Joshua?
I don't!

 

Is this another one of your erotic fantasys?

 

The thought of Mcvey being "serene" in his knowledge of something is quite amusing.

 

For practical purposes there is nothing between 199lbs and 210lbs at the weigh in today. You either bulk up to 210 or stay at cruiser. So I think we can take Cunningham’s KD of Fury as being the modern equivalent. Yes he would be criticised for it, but perhaps the criticism would be too severe?

 

Regardless of the vote, I think you need to understand what trying to argue from behind really means. Attempting to turn an historical outlook on a particular sporting individual on its head, some 80 or so years later, would need a substantial input of new data.

There is really very little new data. Almost all of the 'new information' is revised opinions on existing data. These opinions have been addressed and your arguments dismantled, repeatedly.

I think enormous tolerance has been shown by the majority, much more than perhaps would have been shown in other debating circles, in the face of some fairly absurd argumentation; dismissive attitudes to known data, as well as some pretty foul use of historical quotations by some.

Oh - and I am writing this, ever so serenely.

 

Me neither. I wonder if it takes a special set of welding goggles to avoid certain glaringly obvious points.

 

Well I am off up to the Lake District for the weekend, where there will be no oversized Italian heavyweights to vex me.

Have a good weekend everyone!

 

Uzcudun remained high profile, in back to back fights he fought Carnera, Schmeling x2 and Louis in back to back fights. Paulino lost to Primo then drew with Schmeling in his next fight!

yes, 17-5-1 of the recorded fights? Campolo beat Arturo Godoy. Are you now going to say Godoy was too small? Joshua first 17 opponents were a lot less known than campolo was, and the knockout is legit.

why would there be? If Campolo was around now he would be no better and have a 30-0 record. Charles Martin wound up with a belt in Joshua's day.

I'm giving credit for his going 15 rounds at a good pace at 260lbs. For fighting well in a losing effort against a more seasoned Sharkey.

that's just an interesting tidbit. Marciano and Ali complained of being blinded in world title fights. they remain interesting tidbits. That's all.

the being outclassed part is not the impressive part. The impressive part was that he was boxing at a high level. Chuvalo going the distance with Ali and losing, Berbick going the distance with Holmes and losing. Foreman going the distance with Holyfield and losing. Bugner going the distance with Frazier and losing. That kind of thing.

those fights are absolute poundings that should have been stopped. Carnera was in no danger of being stopped by Sharkey.