Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

I thought it might be of interest to the "Carnera Gang Of 3."
At my age I don't even have erotic fantasies about women!

 

I'm pretty sure your friend McVey still thinks that the Sharkey uppercut doesn't land.

What about you. Do you think it lands?

 

More pathetic attempts at damage limitation.

1.We are discussing the Campolo that actually existed not some mythical version you are projecting trying to beef him up and fattening his p*ss poor record!
2...Campolo was 224lbs and 6'9.5" a bean pole ,not huge as you described him,compare him to Wilder at 6'7"and 224lbs
Wilder is slender and definitely not huge.Campolo had already lost 5 fights he was a journeyman at best.

3. Carnera WAS in danger of being stopped by Sharkey!

"Jack Sharkey and referee 'Gunboat' Smith shared credit today for providing the finest heavyweight fight since Jack Dempsey's unforgettable brawl with Luis Firpo. Sharkey did his part by thrashing Primo Carnera over a 15 round bout at Ebbets Field last night, and doing it so decisively that the "super man" myth surrounding the Italian was dissipated. However, had it not been for Smith, the fight would have ended in the 4th round with Sharkey winning on a technicality and 30,000 spectators robbed of the contest they paid $100,000 to witness. Sharkey, leading from the start and punishing his foe at will, floored the 261 lb. Italian with a smashing left hook to the jaw in the 4th. Primo was confused when he got off his back and on his knees. He pulled erect at the count of six, but hearing the shouts of his seconds urging him to take advantage of a full count he dropped back to his knees. Sharkey and his manager, Johnny Buckley shouted protests to Smith, claiming the bout on a foul because Primo went down without being hit--a rule violation punishable by DQ. Primo got up again, dropped to his knees a second time as Sharkey rushed forward, and finally came up at the count of eight. Smith urged Sharkey forward, but Jack ran to his corner and attempted to jump through the ropes. Sharkey then waived the foul claim and went back to fight. Encouraged by the knowledge that Carnera could be hurt, Sharkey blasted away with jolting left hooks to the head and body and went on to win as he pleased. The 15th was Sharkey's best round. He landed a terrific left hook to the chin as the round opened and for the remainder of the session drove Carnera about the ring." -United Press


They first fought on October 12, 1931, with Sharkey winning by a 15-round unanimous decision at Ebbets Field in Brooklyn. The Associated Press reported: "Before the Boston sailor's hand was raised in token of victory after 15 rounds of spectacular milling, Sharkey had floored Carnera for one nine-count, closed one of the Italian's eyes and had given him so savage a beating that Primo was on the verge of a knockout on a half dozen occasions."

Now that's your points comprehensively destroyed.I await the next round of spin.

 

They only told Primo those guys were blind..

 

I hope this is a misprint?

 

Anyone who holds the same viewpoint as myself is my friend? Well having read MM's post for some time I would be pleased to call him so.He tells it like it is, does not attempt to embroider facts or present blatant perversions of the truth or dismiss verified quotes.
The ,"Carnera Gang Of Three ,"were totally outclassed and exposed by his reasoned and objective arguments.
You posted the Sharkey "ko " by Carnera and no one including yourself could say that they saw where it landed ,or whether it was the glove or fore arm that did so .As I remember opinions were divided and I believe most had an open mind on it,not you of course , your mind is closed .

Do we really need to go back and prove this?

 

Corrected now. In the light of ringside reports that I just posted that
Carnera was in danger of being knocked out several times ,will you now concede that I am right and you were wrong?

 

It's not spin. Berbick was similarly outclassed by Larry Holmes. Berbick lost but had established himself in loss, much the way Carnera had, later Berbick like Carnera, became champion. Going the distance with a Holmes was a learning experience.

 

Corrected now in the light of ringside reports that Carnera was in danger of being knocked out several times ,will you concede that I am right and you were wrong?

Berbick was never in danger of being stopped by Holmes,he had a good chin unlike Carnera.

 

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That seems to show that it was the glove landing ,but that is not what you posted earlier ,and that is to what I was referring.

 

And yet MM is saying that the case is closed on Primo, and has been for decades.

I posted various versions that could've gone under your radar.

 

He was referring to this debate I believe.The fact that the punch seems to land does not necessarily mean it kod Sharkey and I'm not trying to do a Choklab here. I've always genuinely believed that Sharkey's reaction looks terribly theatrical and I still do.

 

I think you'll eventually change your mind on that too.

Look how he is body is erect, yet reclined against the ropes with his legs bent in a yoga like position, his face looking uncomfortably distorted while getting smacked in the head with a left.
The man is out.

 

Yes - the Carnera/Sharkey KO punch was discussed on another thread, I believe. I think it looks to be a peculiar ending to the fight and I explained why I thought so, in a post on that thread.

And, I would go further in that, even if Carnera/Sharkey II is considered a legit KO, it does not change my view on Bowe being a better all-round fighter than Carnera. It also does not change my view on Carnera's defensive capabilities.

So, I would say that the footage is a piece of data that really doesn't do enough to turn the tide on an historical evaluation, which has been widely accepted for decades.