Video: Top 20 Super Middleweights since 1989

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mitchell
    Beat F Liles
    beat Siaca twice who went on to be WBA SMW champ, drew with future 2 weight champ Girard, beat Green who took Joppys 0
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I dont need them. I didnt let myself suffer on that long post of yours. Thanks
     
  3. bailey

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    Very underrated G Catley who looked unfortunate to some against WBC champ Woodhall, beat WBC champ Beyer, looked unfortunate to some against Haussler, beat future WBC champ Lucas
     
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    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Actually, I don't even believe you didn't read it.

    My belief is that you just can't counter it.

    Just another one of your default settings when you've been backed into a corner.
     
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    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Joe and Ward are a for lock the #1 and #2 spot.

    Joe will probably hold the #1 spot at SMW , but Ward could go on to be the greater fighter P4P. All depends on the Kovalev rematch.
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lol. You know thats not true and I wouldnt know if it is something I would want to counter without reading it. I think you wont brief your post a bit because without the long winded waffle, you may not think it mounts to much, so want to waffle and hide behind the waffle.
    I look forward to your next post quoting the original post you quoted and coming back with what you want to say
     
  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why do you have Ward at #2? What do you think he did at SMW that was so much greater than Eubank or Ottke at the weight? Why do you feel Wards SMW resume is above Collins?
    Curiously do you rate Wards SMW resume above Kesslers because he beat Kessler?
     
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    Help my stupidity out but with the points but what is GSB? I see TD as title defences and T3 as top 3 for annual rankings
     
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    What P4P level fighters did Eubank and Ottke ever beat?

    Ward beat Froch who had a P4P ranking. You could say Ottka has one over Johnson , but he lost that fight in my eyes and Froch gave Johnson a proper pasting.

    Ward had a long stint on the P4P list as a SMW . Dont think Eubank , Kessler , Ottkey or any others were ever P4P level boxers.
     
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    The above is the very definition of waffling.
     
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    He thinks Collins has a better SMW resume than Andre, due to him having beaten Eubank and Benn twice. It's because it looks good on paper. But in reality, both guys were faded. And he only rematched Eubank because their first fight was close, and he only rematched Benn because he twisted his ankle in their first fight, which I don't even consider that as a legit win. Basically, Bailey ranks those wins on the name value of the opponents, rather than how good they were at the time.

    Those wins weren't better than Andre's wins over Kessler and Froch etc, and Collins wasn't a better fighter.
     
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    We are talking SMW. What P4P at SMW did Ward beat? Froch wasnt put in the Ring P4P till after their fight and Froch being in the P4P didnt mean he was able to beat Kessler at first ask

    When Froch fought Johnson, Johnson was boiled down, very faded and at a weight he hadnt been great at. Ottke fought Johnson when prime and I thought Ottke won easier and didnt take anywhere near the punched Froch took. I cant see how you could think Ottke lost to Johnson. Have you realy seen that fight to draw that conclusion?
    Ottkes SMW resume is very convincing

    C Brewer the then IBF SMW champ for the title, beaten twice
    G Johnson who went on to become the Ring & IBF LHW champ
    S Branco who went on to become the WBA LHW champ
    A Mundine who went on to become the 2 time WBA SMW champ
    B Mitchell the then WBA SMW champ and 2 time WBA champ
    R Reid the former WBC SMW champ and still world class
    A Krajnc the former WBO MW champ (a smaller fighter)
    M Larsen world class who went on to become European champ
    R Markussen world class who went on to become European champ
    T Tate beaten twice
    D Starie
    J Butler

    Ottke won a world title in his 13th fight

    So The Ring mag putting someone on a P4P list is what sways things for you rather than what the fighter does? You are aware that that is only someones opinion arent you and not a rating system?
    I would favour prime Eubank over Froch and Eubank beat Benn who was a top fighter. Kessler also beat Froch who you note for Ward. In fact Kessler took Frochs 0, so I wouldnt get too wrapped up in someones P4P list.

    But look at the fights I noted for Ottke and tell me how you think Ward did more?

    You may feel Ward could beat Ottke but that isnt accomplishments at SMW[/QUOTE]
     
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    He has Brian Magee above Ward on the SMW ATG list :qmeparto:
     
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    So you havent brought up your points!
     
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    This is longer than my post what you wouldn't read.