Ali 1974 vs Joshua of today, who wins?

WK has never ever Ko'ed ANYBODY of note with his so called one punch power...none.....74 Ali means Zaire......hostile crowd , all pro Ali , 15 I repeat 15 rounds, a arena hotter than shid aka 100 dgrees plus and both WK and AJ will shoot their wad early and afterwards will get stopped due to exhaustion and Ali's pin point shots, fact not fiction.

WK is completely shot, FACT, he pushes his jab, he has no snap on his punches, his timing sucks, his reflexes are gone and that is the reason he cannot let his hands go anymore, he sees the opening but the brain cannot signal it fast enough to his fists anymore and he never had much of a chin anyways to fall back on...........he si done beyond done......Ali would literally toy with this Grandpa version of WK.

AJ ? LOL, Ali would get into his green horn head and he would fall way before Foreman did, lol, talking about taking into deep waters and drowning....

Conclusion, WK is done , stick a fork in him and he should enjoy retirement, he had a good career.

AJ, a KO waiting to happen, guaranteed.....and it will happen relatively soon, he is at his peak, he aint getting any better.

 

Yeah. A genuine education can be a shock.

 

Nah - It's just that the majority of us (86%), myself included, are not using your 'Barney & Friends' Guide to Boxing.

 

I remain unconvinced Ali survives Joshua's onslaught, as tough as he is I think it would take a tactical error for Ali to have the edge. Wasn't Foreman a huge favourite at the book prior to RITJ?
Ali does have several clear advantages over AJ such as hand speed and reflexes etc but I don't believe he would be able to hurt Joshua to the point where stamina/endurance come into play without putting himself in situations where he risks being hurt, dropped and stopped.

I have read this section of the forum enough to know that not all of the 86% are blindly picking Ali on sentiment or because they revere the man but I am struggling to see how this is so one sided. There are good arguments in this thread for Ali's chances but I can't understand anybody who is saying this is a lock and Joshua has nothing for Ali unless they are considering this from a biased perspective.

(2 whole paragraphs and not 1 mention of "size" or "muscles" - I'm off to watch Mr. Universe)

 

I would suggest that the reason why the poll's votes are so heavily one-sided, is due to the lack of observable evidence, where Joshua is concerned. And, from what we have seen, there are realistic doubts about Joshua's stamina and workrate. I should also point out that Ali would neither be necessarily required to hurt Joshua, nor put himself in harms way, in order for these weaknesses to come into play. How dangerous is a Joshua onslaught, when it cannot be sustained for anything more than half a round, every five rounds?

In addition, Ali's advantages go considerably beyond just hand-speed and reflexes. Ali's footwork, balance and all-round agility are the necessary counter to the bigger man's obvious strengths. Ali would make Joshua miss - a lot. Combined with Ali's offensive accuracy, delivered through a much broader armory of combinations, marshaled with superior movement, spatial awareness and overall ring IQ then it doesn't become too difficult to realize how big the challenge is for Joshua.

Unlike Joshua, still in his early career, there is ample evidence of Ali's skills available on film, as well as his overall abilities having been borne out in a complete career record. And, while I cannot speak for why other posters have individually picked Muhammad Ali to win this fantasy match-up, I can say, for my part, that I lean to where the evidence takes me.

Those believing Joshua would be able to win this one, at this stage of his career, are doing so, in an extremely large part, on faith.


ps - I also think Ali would do enough cumulative damage to cause Joshua real issues. It's not unreasonable to believe so.

 

Joshua is cut and gassed by the 6th, gets taken out late.

 

Okay, enough of the exaggeration! This isn't the general forum where mental midgets like zakman limit their discussion, and when possible the discussions of others, to which fighter have "china-chins".

 

The poll is one sided because we have only 14% of our population who know nothing of the sport. Young And impressionable who grew up watching the WWE. They are impressed with muscles and size because it's easy to see. Know nothing of the skill of boxing because it requires knowledge and experience.

 

You're not by any chance James Smith in disguise?

 

You have actually looked at the poll results haven't you? It's one sided in Ali's favour, not Joshua's.

 

Read the quote again Ken.

 

Oh right, am I reading it the other way round?

Lol. Should have stayed on vacation.

 

I had to read it twice mate and i haven't been on vacation!!!! hahahaha

 

The only times we have seen Joshua gas is when he has been caught heavily rather than punch himself out, we rate his stamina differently. While he clearly doesn't have Ali's stamina I don't think he is quite as handicapped in this department as you do - "half a round, every five rounds" strikes me as exaggeration.

I realise Ali's advantages go beyond the 2 mentioned (I did add 'etc') but Joshua level power with (I believe) the skills to deliver can make up for a lot, after all it is a huge difference in this aspect between the 2.

I do agree that giving Joshua the edge does require a leap of faith but I suspect I rate Ali lower than yourself also (I will re-watch RITJ later) so perhaps I am missing some of the more nuanced skills on display. If I believed Ali was as elusive and rated his arsenal as highly as you do I would favour him vs Joshua too most likely so it is entirely reasonable of you to believe so, yes.

It is the opinion that Joshua loses 100/100 here and has zero chance that I can't accept. (which you have not claimed but others have implied)

 

JoffJoff reeks of inexperience.