Marciano fast footwork, closing the distance, and using angles against Lastarza

Did I mock Marciano for doing it? (honest question, I don't even remember where we had the original discussion). I thought I mocked Reznick for describing it like it was some kind of textbook, picture-perfect uppercut, leading to the discussion where he dismissed everybody's attempts to school him on uppercut technique as mere "arm-punching."

 

Aww now you don't want to post footage?
The coward weasels again.

Will probably go into hiding for a few hours until he pops up again to put on this act that he is a boxing technique guru.

When he actually paid hundreds of dollars to have a coach hold the mitts for him.

 

This thread blew up when three people took serious offense to me calling a Marciano uppercut beautiful.
One of those people I believe would agree with me more now that he has a better idea where I'm coming from.
The other was Contro, who had the courage to post footage of himself and whom we saw.
And the last is you. Mr. Ski Mask.


If you call that a schooling, then your school must've sucked. Which probably explains why you are dumb.

 

I don't want to post footage but I'm going to do it anyway when I get a chance. Haven't been in a boxing gym in several years but I'll figure something out.

And yeah, I'm going to "go into hiding for a few hours" soon if that includes me getting back to the work that allows me to earn a living.

PS -- You really don't think it would be worth it for you to pay $50 more per month to receive open access to the gym along with weekly one-on-one sessions with a pro trainer? A good trainer will get your punching form down (on the pads and by watching your bag work), and help with your footwork and movement, etc. If your trainer takes it at all seriously, you'll learn more in one month than you've learned in the past year, wailing away at heavy bags and hoping to get noticed. You should consider it.

 

You don't have to falsely paraphrase what is on the first page of this thread.

"I thought I mocked Reznick for describing it like it was some kind of textbook, picture-perfect uppercut,"

This...never happened.

 

Well, look what he just did. He claimed you described the Maricano uppercut as "textbook, picture-perfect" and that is why he was mocking you. I can read, you most certainly did not do that.

I don't understand why these loonies...all of em, feel it necessary to invent arguments. Are they that bored with life?

 

I think you just need a special school. Here's what I remember (correct me if I'm wrong): Someone (Eddie Ezzard?) described proper uppercut technique to you in great detail and you scoffed as if he didn't know what he was talking about, and referred to it as an arm punch. Contro and I joined in and, I believe, you challenged me to come up with footage confirming that what we were describing was in fact textbook uppercut technique. I obliged with snippets from a number of different pro and amateur trainers that were readily available on youtube. Instead of admitting that you had never learned the proper way to throw an uppercut, you then pivoted and tried to pretend that you already knew what we had just taught you while arguing that Marciano's uppercut was some kind of sophisticated, advanced technique. Again, correct me if any of this is wrong.

 

You don't have to accuse me of being deceitful when I was clear that I couldn't remember what he said anymore (or where he said it). So yeah, Reznick was raving about the "perfect trajectory" of the uppercut. Ezzard explained to him that perfect uppercuts don't travel that far, and went over some of the basic principles of uppercut technique. Reznick objected to the description, which he disparaged as "average arm punch form." Reznick claimed that his world class trainer used Reznick's punching form to instruct other fighters in the gym on how to throw proper uppercuts. I asked Reznick whether his own uppercut extended from below his knees and rose upward to the ceiling.

None of this is mocking Marciano.

Got it? Don't have the energy to go back through the whole thread, so maybe I'm missing something.

 

You're a coward my dude.
Is a heavybag really that hard to find for someone who says they can handle one much better than me? Or who can handle one well at all?

You're a **** talking coward that wants to put the fire to everyone's feet and expects exemption.

There is something that happens to you when you start sparring for real. You quickly lose that attitude. It's how I know you are a phony with only a paper thin involvement with the sport. Yet you act like a boxing trainer, asking posters to film themselves so you can luxuriously critique them while eating cheetos and describing "proper uppercuts."

I go to the gym often and am plenty noticed. You shouldn't pay to be noticed by your coach. Did Hagler pay his coach to notice him? Doesn't that sound rediculous?
Nobody who is serious will regularly pay for hitting the mitts. It's a way to feel like you're learning how to box without actually boxing. And the only people who do so, that I've seen, are people who don't come to the gym often enough to compete. It's totally legit, but if one of those guys started talking crap to the real boxers, chastising their technique...lol.

Anyway, you're a clown.
You won't post footage.
If you actually film yourself, you'll be so appalled at how much worse you look than you thought. At that point you'll either try to brush the issue away again, or you'll do something even better and stop posting.

 

@The Kentucky Cobra : And for the record--I explained that I wasn't interested in posting any workout videos before Reznick reupped his completely unimpressive clips. To pretend that me not wanting to post mine after the fact is some sign of cowardice is either dumb or dishonest.

 

You're starting to sound more and more like Charlie Zelenoff. You might actually be delusional about your talent and abilities (including your superheavyweight punching power). What in the world does Marvin Hagler not paying for boxing training have to do with you and your decision not to pay?? You're not Marvin Hagler, bro.

Not sure why you think that not paying for lessons (while paying marginally less for open gym time) is some badge of honor, but it certainly doesn't make you better or more skilled than those who do.

PS - Based on how you look on the bag, I don't believe that you've ever done any real sparring. If so, it was very irresponsible and stupid of whatever threw you in with a live opponent.

 

The idea that anyone serious about boxing would need to personally pay a trainer for 1 hour mitt sessions is dumb.
That's the point you dimwit.

All bark.
Can we see how you look boxing?
Who am I talking to?

I'm not bragging at all, or even saying that I'm good.
You keep trying to act like a rat, being dishonest to make people look bad, and it's not working at all.

Do 1 minute of shadow boxing, film it with your smartphone, and post here.
Literally takes less than 300 seconds to do.

 

So you consider yourself "serious about boxing"? A grown-ass man who never learned proper punching technique and who moves around the heavy bag like a nerdy schoolboy on an awkward first date?

Relax, Zelenoff--I'm gonna post heavybag footage. But I want to get this one the record--what are you looking for, exactly? What will it prove to you?

 

Okay James Toney.
Post your punching technique.
idk show us something.
Should we be expecting it in 30 days - 1 year?

 

Then the honest answer would be "I don't remember" not a wild guess that happens to be a complete fabrication.

I don't need your biased synopsis. I can read everything on my own.

I found these quotes you agreed with "Great post." to be of a mocking nature in regards to Marciano.

Ezzard: "Are you being ironic? It sounds like you are but, as you are a fan of Marciano's, I just don't know."

Ezzard: " I have to disagree and it bodes badly for Marciano that a 7 second gif, specifically edited to show how great he was"

Ezzard: " I just think that Rocky achieved this despite, not because of, the technique being highlighted."