How does 91 foreman do against his 70 s opponents?

No chance. First of all i dont see him trying that strategy unless without having experienced a crushing loss to the same man before.

Second Fraziers feet would still be too slow to get him in and out of punching range while a bigger stronger man is walking him down. He would have to be able to circle Foreman quicky while changing directions(like a miguel cotto for example) and then get in land hard, deterring punches and get back out and do that for 12 rounds.
Joe frazier doesnt circle quickly and change directions, even if he did he would still have to be able to generate enough power on the move to keep Foreman away, then get back out without getting knocked out.

 

What do you make of Qwai's success against older Foreman with the bob and weave? Qwai eventually gassed out but he was a 35 year old 5'7" man at his career heaviest by 20 plus pounds if I'm not mistaken.

 

Qawi was a better defender than frazier and also 4-5 inches shorter than Frazier which made him much more awkward and harder to hit to the point where foreman probably had trouble not rabbit punching him and getting leverage on his powershots.

 

As a prime light heavyweight Qawi being better is arguable. But at 35 years of age and fat and slow...no. He's not a better defender than Frazier.

You are arguing an older shorter man is at a physical advantage over a younger taller man?

Qawi had success because Foreman is slooooooooooow.

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Frazier would eat him up.

 

Ive seen the fight a few times. Qawi is 222 and while fat for a pro fighter still isnt nowhere close to obese, george isnt exactly ripped either. Qawi was also 5'6-5'7 that makes him atleast 8 inches shorter than George. That makes him incredibly hard to hit with legal shots and awkward. Frazier is 5'11.

 

The notion that Foreman was a better fighter in his mid 40s than in his prime is ludicrous. He would take several losses.

 

Even in Fraziers fight with Ramos he was buckled shortly before they said how easy frazier was easy to hit. Ramos wasnt exactly a world beater but at 208 could punch. He had more losses than wins.

Frazier at 200/205 pounds would never defeat a 250 plus foreman...how could he based on his fights with power punchers ( and 210 Bonevena almost tko'ing him in 2 rnds) ? lol ridiculous these guys.

 

Against who? Frazier no...Norton? he had the skills but never pulled it off against the big punchers. Lyle? maybe but my money would go on no. Young? Only ig he fought a near perfect fight. Foreman at 40 still performed just as well as Riddick Bowe against Pierre Coetzer and would have beat Holyfield as well like Bowe did if Holyfield tried brawling with him and pushing him back for 12 rounds like he dd with Bowe

 

But I didn't say he was obese, I said he was fat...which you agree with. And he was slow.

And Fraizer fought out of a more exaggerated crouch where as Qawi had to be more upright so he could score with his own punches. We aren't talking a huge difference here when considering stance. The difference between Foreman/Frazier and Qawi/Foreman isn't 3-4 inches in height. The difference is Foreman is now too old and slow to catch an active swarming opponent.

 

i guess they also missed foreman fought Quawi before 1991 actually about 3 years earlier, Quawi was actually one of his first few opponents in his comeback. SMH

If anything that fight shows what Tyson would have done to foreman being a smaller crouch like fighter. Fraziers chin and predictability would never hold up to foreman who fought Holyfield or after really,hell any version of foreman except maybe a 17 year old knocks Frazier out.

foreman was to slow,he would lose to practically all the 70's guys??? how did he catch counter puncher much faster Holyfield..man ppl are beyond stupid in this section....lol

 

Yet with Frazier he mostly just had to worry about the left hook. Also Foreman was 235, obviously he still hadnt found his comfort zone as a fighter for his comeback career yet. Why would Foreman choose to suffer to lose another 20 pounds for an "old fat slow LHW Qawi" when he hovered in the mid 250s+ for the Cooney fight onwards including 2 HW championship challenges" He obviously chose to fight at 250-260 because he wanted to compensate for age with extra strength. You make some good points but im not convinced Jamaica Frazier beats 1991 Foreman

 

Frazier's left hook was no secret, and nobody could avoid it but Foreman. And Foreman also was on guard for Frazier's right hand lead switches as shown below.

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Maybe, maybe not. I would say at 235 this was physically the best he looked in his comeback, his most active as well.

Foreman likely stopped coming in 240 ish because he hit the big 40, and couldn't get the weight off anymore.

We are talking the difference between 39 and 42 & almost 46. Do you believe aging made him better? I think the 235 pound Foreman of this fight mows down Moorer.

 

No but i dont believe he had gotten everything back after 1 year either nor had he "mastered" the archie moore defense. I think Foreman peaked in his second career around 1990-1991. I also think he could have still came in at 240 at that time, he had the whole cheeseburger act but he worked very hard in the gym. He weighed 257 for Holyfield, 250 for Moorer in 94 and 253 for Savarese in 97 i think he knew what he was doing

 

Tommy Morrison who wasn't half the boxer Norton was able to walk around and pot shot Old George for 12. Morrison wouldn't have seen the 3rd round vs prime GF. You seriously think Young would have to fight "the perfect fight" in order to be on level with Morrison? Coetzer was tailor made for George, he just stood in front of him and took a beating.

What Foreman was able to accomplish at his age was incredible and almost impossible for anyone else to duplicate but lets cut the bull**** and stop pretending he was better than ever.

 

Not sure made a difference when he was getting caught reaching against a bobbing and weaving opponent.

Of which he only had 3 noteworthy fights.

Cooney-3 years retired since his last disastrous comeback.
Rodrigues-the weakest and most vulnerable top 10 guy around.

Foreman took care of business but not very telling wins. We have the Holyfield fight, of which he was brave and had a few moments but was dominated in exchanges by a guy over 30 pounds lighter than him.

He's in his 40s in these fights. We are talking a game of diminishing returns, an emphasis on power as other attributes fade. It paid off against Moorer but failed against Morrison..and really the Stewart and Shultz fight.