I dont see anyone beating David Lemieux...............

Except, there's nobody on the planet like GGG.

But yeah, BJS would be an underdog vs DJ, and would be a tossup vs Lemiuex, and even in a CEJ rematch.

He'd school Yellow CanelHOE though, that is, outside Oscars prepaid judges.

 

Brook never proved to an elite fighter. He got by Shawn Porter an admirable and tough fighter, but completely B level. He got destroyed by Golovkin, but won't hold that against him due to size. His resume is domestic guys and Shawn Porter. And Errol Spence. So the one time he really steps up to fight one of the very top young fighters he gets outboxed throughout the fight and then eventually gets stopped.

Not the type of career that scream elite fighter. And at this point Brook's career work is becoming more and more of a complete chapter. 31 years old now.

 

lemmy always been a beast. and i would love to see andy lee vs lemmy. andy lee is believe he said the only way he fights if it is a big fight. and lee vs lemmy would be great.

 

I'm impressed by how hard Lemieux has worked , he's much better than he was early, but I would take Jacobs, Canelo, Eubank, Charlo or Saunders over him. Three guys have already beaten him, and if he's going to do it, he's going to have to do it at 168 because he ain't making 160 after this year.

 

I hope you're joking. If not, please learn how to score a fight.

 

Porters wins over Paulie, Alexander, Broner, Berto, Diaz, LoGreco, Robinson, and Gomez, NTM.......IN MOST OBJECTIVE FANS/PUNDITS/FIGHTERS.....he actually eeked out the Thurman fight, or at minimum, deserved a DRAW.

If that's B level in your opinion, you need to re-assess your ability to grade a fighter.

Porter is A level. Not ELITE, but definitely A level.

And NO ONE......none of his 29 opponents was able to stun him, stifle him, and completely outclass him as did Brook.

As for Brook being ELITE......it seems he might not get that chance to go from A level to elite.

His last 2 fights have been vs once in generation fighters in GGG and Spence, and while the 154 division, may very well set him back on course in proving his p4p elite status, your opinion of downgrading him is again acutely flawed.

His win over Porter is his only A level win, but NOT HIS FAULT.

He was WBA mandatory 2 different occasions, and unification, and a certain wise swerver found higher reward/FAR LOWER RISK fights, and finally, after 4 yrs climbing in mandatories, the IBF enforced his mandate vs Porter.

That said, the IBF is strict when mandatories are concerned, and while Brook looked to unify with Vargas, Bradley, Mayweather, and even Thurman, negotiations always fell thru, and mandatories were enforced.
First it was Dan, who beat Bizier(who looked like the WW version of GGG to SOME), but Dan took the W, got the fight with Brook, who promptly beat him down.
Then, while trying to make a $$$$ fight with Khan, he was swerved, and in the last minute, had to settle for Gavin, or another mandatory would be on him.
Finally, Lawson looked the part of a would be GREAT fight/Win for Brook, but Bizier destroyed him, and that part is history.
Finally, after another failed negotiation with Khan, who chose to let Yellow push his ish in, Brook stepped up last second when CEJ's daddy screwed the GGG v CEJ fight.

Maybe Brook will come again at LMW. Maybe now that both his eyes are gonna be surgically repaired, we've seen the best of Brook and the end of the possible great career.

But let's not forget how he handled the majority of those B level fighters he fought over and over again while getting swerved by the NAMES.

He has proven his worth in my eyes, and Im a fan for life, regardless of how he fares down the line.

 

Don't consider Porter A level. And he's my 2nd favorite active younger fighter behind Kovalev. Margarito is A level. Porter is a good pressure fighter, but not Tony Margs.

I also don't consider Spence a generational talent. Not yet. Wins over Brook (not elite) and Algieri (B level) don't warrant elite status yet.

 

Agreed,,Canelo wouldn't eat in the same restaurant ,much less get in the ring

 

Jacobs has every advantage over Lemieux and with his face 1st, jabless, one dimensional style....well it won't be pretty

 

fair warning to CST80........'borderline monosyllabic Macaw'.........is just too good....I am going to have to plagiarize it in the future.

 

i thought it was top shelf, myself.

 

What a great balanced post !

 

Wtf is going on here ???

 

(actually David has three losses)

but i completely agree with you; DL is an old-school badass who actually wants to fight the best (rather than just saying it)

of those three losses, two of them were consecutive. After that, 10 straight wins including eight KOs

i don't know who's to blame for this ridiculous "grade inflation", but it's a disease on the sport--it prevents the best from fighting the best and it keeps guys like DL from getting the recognition (and the big $$) they deserve

it's easy for casuals to dismiss a guy like Lemieux ("he sucks, he lost to Joachim Alcine") because he lost his zero early, but i'm nearly certain he's a better fighter because of those losses. Again, a loss followed by ten straight wins with eight of ten KOs, is evidence that a fighter is still improving, which you don't get with wins over club fighters

 

are you talking about the sequence where David was hit by a GGG punch while he was down on one knee?

you are the only one with this opinion, as far as i know

i've never heard anyone fault GGG for that--not least of all David Lemieux nor anyone on his Team (nothing said to the media, nor any formal objection/protest filed with the IBF)

nor have i ever heard anyone criticize the referee (who neither warned nor deduced a point from GGG)

the referee was not standing in between the two fighters the instance Lemieux took a knee, but that's because at that moment he was two steps from being able to so; he was though properly positioned to view the fight.

what's more, Lemieux had already taken a serious beating even before that punch was thrown (he went down on one knee for a reason)

and finally, the IBF rules (and likely the WBA, WBO, and WBC as well) do not support your view; in the scenario here, the rules give the referee discretion to warn, deduce points, or DQ--but again, no one has ever said that the ref got it wrong there.