REAL TALK: FACT=Brook Quit, Fact=Brook is a Quitter, he's still a tough bloke and no coward!!!

solid post.

 

Kell is a real tough guy until fight night.. when he meets real adversity, he folds...

 

I actually agree with that. My point is entirely about the semantics: almost all dictionaries agree that quitter does not merely mean "one who quits" but unavoidably implies cowardice.

I.e. Brook quit, but is not a quitter.

 

I understand why Brook did it too, but as fans who are consuming a product we have a right to say he quit if that is in fact what he did. If he wasnt sure about the fight in regards to his eye he should not have taken it, I'm sure he got a good purse and with that along with his vocational choice of professional boxing comes scrutiny and lofty expectations about when he can or cannot quit.

We all get at Khan for being a glass chinned joke but let's have it right , Khan has never quit ever the only way Khan loses is being getting stretched out, the referee waving it off or on points. Brook has quit twice now both when he was on the verge of being stopped, are his reasons valid probably so for me but not for everyone.

 

I don't think most people use that definition, it all varies on the difficulty of the task to begin with, the frequency of the person quitting, the level of adversity the person has faced.

Kell was not always a quitter he didn't quit in the Porter fight of the Jones fight which was tough. However quitting twice in a row is a pattern and in future fights if he is in there with a world level puncher don't be surprised if Brooks team pulls him out or he quits himself.

 

But I think this is the key point: he surely convinced himself the first eye injury was a one-off, up at 160 against a huge puncher and would not happen again. Even the surgeons described it as a freak injury. Then the next fight it happens again, this time at 147. He had to make his decision to stop in a split second and the rights of fans to be entertained wouldn't have entered into it. I can only speculate he feared something worse would happen this time. He gets a pass on this from me BECAUSE of what happened against GG, and that being fresh in his mind. Blindness, even in only one eye, is not much fun, I suspect...

 

When I was sixteen I was involved in a one sided fight (dude crushed me instantly) and had my orbital bone cracked and thank GOD it scared the guy as he even helped my buddy get me to the car...That Shzit is no joke and the pain is beyond description.
Brook did way better than I did as a youngster so he's no quitter AZE hole

 

Blindness isn't fun, I wouldnt wanna see him go blind or any boxer, however he is in the hurt game, he trained his whole life to inflict damage and withstand damage, noone forced him to, he isn't a slave or anything like that. He got paid to fight and he quit when the going got too tough for him, he has to live with that.

Let me ask you ask you though, if he gets into another war and he has a jaw broken or
ruptured ear drum or broken cheekbone/nose, will you give him a pass then?

 

Btw Kiwi if you look closely you will see brook falls in the quitter definitions you mentioned.

1. A person who quits (Brook) or gives up easily (Walters)

2. A person who gives up easily (Walters) or does not have the courage or determination to finish a task (Brook)

 

Eventhough I see your point completely, however the two situations differ. You were a teenager, he is a boxer who has been trained from young kid to fight, yours was a street fight (?) potentially a life and death situation, he is in a ring with a referee who can stop the fight, a corner, a doctor not to mention he is being paid millions to fight. Whilst noone would scrutinise you for it, he is on ppv with people who have paid their hard earned cash to see him, if someone criticises him for it then its fair enough as its part and parcel of the game.

 

I respect your opinion, however the first definition is somewhat unclear as it could be read:

1. A person who (quits or gives up) easily.

and the second part of 2. is a little harsh on Brook, because one could argue it was foolhardy to carry on against Spence, not courageous.


I did however find a few dictionaries that include "one who quits, especially one who gives up too easily", so semantically you have a point and maybe my previous post was too strongly worded. However, I still think "quitter" carries too many negative connotations of cowardice to be fairly applied to Brook. Saying he "quit" is fine with me - but that's where I draw the line.

 

Pwned.

 

After that beat down I doubt I could be on PPV it would flop.

Seriously, Brook had taken enough punishment and had zero chances of winning the fight at that point and had a higher probability of hanging in there to take more abuse and not be able to box ever again. No amount of professional training and money could have saved him. He did the right thing and even if this was a club level fight not PPV I still say he made the right choice
Cheers

 

I feel you and I agree with you I don't think Brook is a coward just because he quits even if do now see him as a quitter but I see your point bro.

 

To be fair I cannot say he made the wrong decision, I'm not one of those fans who are angry at him for quitting. However I won't defend him either or criticise those who do think quit too early.

One thing I do know is if Spence had been on the exact same shoes as Brook, I can bet a substantial amount of money people would be calling a hypejob, Jeff lacy 2.0 etc.

Nevertheless I respect your opinions mate.