Luis "King Kong" Ortiz v. Primo Carnera

Someone in here once said that fighters you grow up watching are always the best in your mind. Something about testosterone levels or something. Guess it proved prophetic.

 

I always felt like an outlier when it came to this. The best heavyweights in my mind are Louis and Dempsey. Honestly I can't even recall when I first actually watched Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis.

 

I also posted a clip of his fight with Sharkey, and you are more than free to look for more footage yourself.

What are you on about lifting feet up high off the floor? By jumping in and out, I'm talking about jumping in and out, as in not stepping in and out. Almost every pro boxer does this.

And you keep insulting me, telling me I don't know the basics of boxing. Are you located in the states? Maybe we can go over some basic instruction in the ring.

 

I just hit you up

 

While Vitali does look crude (Wlad doesn't he actually looks athletic much of the time) and cumbersome in most fights he has a much better gage of distance than Carnera ever had. Vitali leaned in and out of range so effectively against smaller opponents. He baited them. Carnera could not that's why Louis set Traps for him and why Baer crushed him with counters. Good quick fighters had the answer. Carnera could get away with his flaws against 2nd tier guys. Pretty much same thing why I suspect Wilder constantly fights 2nd tier guys.

 

I can't imagine two slower guys in the same ring. Forget a double KO as far as calamitous anticlimactic outcomes - they could literally freeze time.

 

Galento's ko % was 51%
Charles ko% 43%
Carnera's 69% spot the difference?

Sullivan is hard to quantify as many of his fights were bareknuckle.

 

Joe Louis said Carnera "pushed his right" Gene Tunney said Carnera panicked when you got through his defence.

 

Ezzard Charles has knockout wins over Lloyd Marshall, Jimmy Bivins, Archie Moore, Elmer Ray, Gus Lesnevich, Nick Barone, Lee Oma, Rex Layne, Bernie Reynolds, Jose Basora, and he killed Sam Baroudi. Those are all either atgs or top contenders.

That's a certified puncher.

 

Charles has ko wins over.
Marshall a weak chinned light heavy
Moore
Lesnevich was an over the hill light heavy and he was retired in his corner.
Oma was stopped 17 times!
Reynolds was not only not a top contender he was never even ranked! He was stopped 8 times.
Baroudi was a super middle fighting a light heavy.
Ray I showed was kod by a middleweight in sparring, he was stopped 9 times,and he was a fringe contender at the time.
Basora was conceding 7lbs to Charles.
Barone was a light heavy facing a heavy.He was not a top contender, he was unranked.
Moore and Bivins are good wins.
Charles was a good puncher but does not deserve to be listed in the 100 greatest of all time,and that's why he isnt!

The point in question ,which you saw fit to dispute was this. ↑
"There is a reason Carnera's name does not feature in the ATG 100 punchers list,despite his high ko %atsch

Neither does Galento, Ezzard Charles, Sullivan and many others.

Shot yourself in the foot with that one.:hi "


You need to work harder at your game!

 

He has knockout wins over atgs and top contenders in every division from middleweight to heavyweight. He's a puncher. Get out.

Your argument is trash and you are only arguing because I exposed you in the Ray v Shavers thread. If you weren't so self contradictory then none of this would have happened but because you so adamantly pushed the "sparring is sparring" argument, I had no other choice but to call you out.