Why Pacquiao will always be greater than Floyd

No he doesn't he made a thread saying pbf never dared to be great that right there tells you he can't be taken seriously when discussing him.

 

Pimp C, materialistic old man with little income. I would be embarrassed for you if you didn't earn more than a Dentistry STUDENT who doesn't earn yet.

 

I like Pretty Boy Floyd - one of my favourite fighters of all time. Loved the brashness, the trash talking, the willingness to fight everybody. After the legacy at 135, 140- that's when my opinion changed when he changed. I'm not a cult follower, that's the difference between myself and the likes of Pimp C.
EDIT: I like to keep it consistent.
If Lomachenko for example was to end up becoming Mayweather esque in his approach to the boxing game, I would turn on him too.
I dislike any fighter today who doesn't dare to be great and prevents others from doing so.

 

Holla at me when you get out of debt broke *****

 

Won't take very long at all. Some broke idiot in some illiterate hood in America making fun of someone going to have one of the highest paid careers out there...only on ESB

 

So in your opinion his legacy post 140 is weak and this is why you turned on him. Answer me this... Who did FM beat below 147 that was better than Canelo, Pac, or Cotto?

 

Like I said Holla at me when you get your broke ass out of debt. Until then I'll keep making money and you stay bitter

 

His 140 legacy was weak anyway (comparing him to the Top 50 ATG's here, he's probably 30th ish - shows my non-bias and the fact that I'm holding him to very strict standards now that he's up there with the greatest).
The Canelo fight was a brilliant win. I understand that Canelo is a slow plodder who can't cut the ring to save his life/use his size advantage, against someone who is Canelo's ultimate stylistic threat in Mayweather, but I still give him credit for that. Despite this, I don't rate Canelo very highly - it's just a decent win because it's at 154..oops I mean 152.

Cotto was past prime (far more than Mayweather was), and didn't have Freddie Roach to make him the Cotto 2.0 that he was when he had a completely even fight with the overrated Canelo.
Mayweather went into retirement to avoid prime Cotto, prime Marg, prime Williams and prime Pac. I don't need to display details on the idiosyncrasies behind Mayweather's ducking attitude, it's clear for any unbiased person to see.

Pacquiao was semi-shot to put it simply, I don't rate that win anywhere near as highly as others do, yet still see it as a 'lowest tier HOF' esque win on an H2H level.

Castillo 2 was by far the best/greatest victory. The point is that Mayweather had a willingness TO FIGHT THE ELITES IN THEIR PRIMES to earn the top spot.

I can forgive Mayweather for taking a few cash-out fights, it's not fair for me to insist he shouldn't take these fights under any circumstances lol - he does deserve the cash-out fight here and there.


My reasons for disliking Mayweather is as follows (it's not just career) -
1. Having the ducking attitude, making money to protect that 0, making calculated moves to stay away from stylistic threats and just general great fighteres in their primes - I expect TBE level fighters to try harder - Lomachenko is willing to fight at 135 when he would be half the man he is there - for example. Pac went and fought at God knows how many weight classes. I want to see just how good these top tier fighters are. RJJ had the weakest resume of the TBE's but he beat Toney and Hopkins - and went up to Heavy ambitiously at least to test himself.

2. Growing knowledge of boxing - I don't rate a style where a boxer leaves punching range by RUNNING and hugging - it's not even intelligent fighting in a clinch - it's the cowardly Klitschko way. This is not 'pure boxing' as some idiots who try to sound knowledgeable say it is..boxing in its purest form is hit and not get hit whilst staying in punching range and adopting a philosophy of outpointing-by-fighting, rather than outpoint-by-not-fighting. Mayweather would've been swallowed up in an era where the rules made you fight more.

3. 'What has Africa done for me?' - in response to a just a regular question about whether he was in Africa for charity work..
What a disgusting human being. He's a narcissist. Even the Black Supremacists of the forum continue blindly in their support of their cult leader.
It's more fashionable to say 'I give to charity and nobody sees' (so it's claimed) - whatever.

4. Beating baby momma in front of children

5. Has been damaging the sport of boxing with his duckster economic model - he's preventing his fighters like Gervonta from going anywhere near Loma and is hogging the damn title. Vacate your belt and develop you CHUMP.

6. Insufferable in interviews - as a promoter he makes everything about himself, and he says the same self-praising things again and again.

Ultimately, I'm a HUGE fan of PBF, I dislike Money Mayweather.

 

Hold on the guy is studying to become a doctor. Literally the most respected profession there is and you trash him. Very bad post man. Just bad post.

 

In terms of skill and raw h2h it's fairly obvious Pac will never be above Floyd.
In terms of what he did in his career I still think Floyd always will be 1-2 spots above Pac.

 

I don't think he's studying to be a dentist he spends too much time here to be in medical school. A medical student basically has to dedicate their life to school. There is little time for other activities.

 

what? more respected than a pimp, playa, or baller?

 

Your argument is damn near irrefutable. But in all honesty, if Pac was put under the same scope of criticism as FM, one can make Pac's resume sound like trash as well. Look at titles won at catch weights, not ruling an entire division. Skipped through 135 and so on. Do these little things cloud the bigger picture of his greatness? I don't think so! In my opinion, both these guys were awesome in their primes, They took different routes to achieve their goal in the sport. What they accomplished was incredible. I liked watching both of these guys throw down.
And again, please find the interview with Freddie Roach, when he explains why the MayPac fight did not happen sooner. At the very least it spreads the blame on both FM and Pac for the fight not happening sooner.

 

I do believe I'm not biased when I rate fighters - but in the way I speak about them, I really do take the biased shoes and run miles with it.

Pac fought malnourished which is why he was able to fight at such a low weight class (the exceptional thing being that he actually managed to become a lineal Flyweight champ despite his circumstances), then once he got the right training and nutrition, he blew up to his body's more natural weight which meant he skipped two weight classes. So yeah, he was fighting tiny guys which should otherwise make us negatively speak of him as a 'serial weight cutter' but the poverty condition really does render those criticisms moot.


He had two pre-prime losses - people will hold that against him because they're losses at the end of the day. Fiar enough but I think the critics do overblow this one because all of the GOATs have pre-prime losses. Many of the TBE level fighters have pre-prime losses.

Tough fight against Agapito Sanchez - that I won't forget, he was getting a lesson in the pros like Salido did but the fouling was just too excessive by Sanchez, so the critics need to calm down.

They say 'he beat a past prime Barrera' - it's most absurd to say such a thing - Barrera went on to beat Morales and Ayala.

Morales - Yep, Pacquiao got beat! He faced an ATG at-or-near prime and got beat. At least he fought one - that's what happens when the best fight the best. But Pac beat him in the rematch - yes, Morales was more on the drained side (this is overstated) and Morales was not prime (but he wasn't far off prime, thus near prime).

Third Morales fight - Morales was shot.

Marquez fights - the first three were so evenly matched that I can't say they're 'losses' for either fighter. But guess what, that's an even rivalry when you're both at-or-near prime, against an ATG and ultimate stylistic threat. Mayweather fell to a lesser man and non-ATG in Castillo in the opinion of most. He's even up with Castillo.

KTFO6 is marred with JMM's suspected roid abuse + Pac was post prime. Either way, prime Pac has 'official' wins against prime Marquez and there's no harm in losing the fourth fight of your rivalry against an ATG + ultimate stylistic threat.

De La Hoya = shot

Cotto at catchweight - but historically still a fully fledged welterweight as the limit is at 147, he rehydrated into the 160's and the most important point, he said he had no excuses because he made the weight well.

Mosley = shot

Margarito = Was not a fully fledged LMW beforehand anyway, the size difference in the fight was still ridiculous and Pac was 144lbs at the weigh in - there's a limit to how much you can criticise this. This wasn't a prime Margarito, it was a post-handwrap Margarito, but Margs was still bringing the best out of Cotto 13 months after the Pac fight and Pac Margs size difference was scary - weight classes exist for a reason. A former lineal Flyweight champ DOMINATING bigger guys like Clottey and Margs.

Despite all of this, I consider him Top 15 in terms of greatness.

Yeah I think it's Pac's fault partially too, but ultimately Pac already has wins over ATG to mid tier HOF's at or near their prime and it's Mayweather who didn't - Mayweather DESERVED giving himself the shot to face a prime Pac rather than allowing it to completely drag out until 2015.

 

The Ring ??? You mean Fishnets rag dontcha ?? ROFLMA
ESPN ?? Theyre no better
Freddie ?? He was JOKING
Pac ?? 8 div champion Achieved by being a FIGHTER !!!
Floyd ?? Achieved his success due to CHEATING !!
Floyd Pac