Is Tyson clearly hurt?

If it did, I wouldn't know.

" But Tyson seemed actually dazed and flinched and went back. Tyson wasn't the type of fighter to back up unless he was hurt, even when he got his feet muddled a bit."

I don't think he was dazed as he had presence of mind to slip Evander's left hook and try to pivot with him, he did flinch.

I can't think of a comparable instance where a guy spun around him like that. I would imagine Tyson felt vulnerable with his opponent almost completely behind him.

 

If it did, I wouldn't know.

" But Tyson seemed actually dazed and flinched and went back. Tyson wasn't the type of fighter to back up unless he was hurt, even when he got his feet muddled a bit."

I don't think he was dazed as he had presence of mind to slip Evander's left hook and try to pivot with him, he did flinch.

I can't think of a comparable instance where a guy spun around him like that. I would imagine Tyson felt vulnerable with his opponent almost completely behind him.

 

Neither clearly hit or hurt Mike.

 

I see no visual evidence of him being hurt, so it not clear. lol I suppose that's the best way of wording it. I don't know, I got pushed into making this poll, I wasn't sure the best way to approach it. I'm not a fan of polls and I don't think they resolve much. I realized the wording sucked but I couldn't change it.

No, I don't think it's a clear punch or a clear instance of Mike being hurt. Nobody can decide where this punch actually landed and there just isn't no evidence of Mike reacting to it.

Yes, Evander boxed his socks off. He was too good in the pocket. The point I was making over and over is Evander wasn't Ruddock. Ruddock would throw a bomb and hit or miss, he would just admire his work, letting Tyson wallop him. Evander would spin out of the way, or Dempsey roll into another punch, or keep his hands tight, so even when he missed, Tyson couldn't counter.

And I'm glad you see that, I found common ground with one person, best you can hope for.