How does AJ do in Bruno's title shots?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    How do you see AJ in place of Bruno against these men?
    Tim witherspoon 86

    Mike tyson 89

    Lennox Lewis 93

    Oliver mccall 95

    How do the fight s play out? Does AJ have more or little than success as Frank did?
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    A.J would lose those fights now. All of them.

    Joshua is the greatest 18 fight novice, but let's remember he is still a novice. Wlad is an old man, albeit, a great old man, but you can bet by the time his autobiography comes out he won't be writing his fight up with Joshua as one of his prime performances. Remember Wlad made the grade as a young man. It's not like his career was on hold for many years and only found his way in later life. It was his "one for the road" fight.


    That's why I don't think Joshua would yet be ready for those kinds of fights with the guys who beat Bruno. He will be soon. But until he is, until we see how far he has improved after wining his first competitive fight, we only have his Wlad fight to go on.

    Even though joshua will be better next time he fights we can only predict or use what he showed against Wlad.

    Witherspoon was really banging in that fight with Bruno. He smothered and was harder to hit clean than Wlad was. He wasn't 41 when Bruno fought him either. I don't think Witherspoon would find AJ any harder to hit than Bruno was. Especially after Joshua shoots his bolt like he did in the Wlad fight.

    Tyson? I don't think AJ has yet had the right kind of fights to prepare him for Tyson. I think Joshua will do well to do as good as Bruno did. He might not even have the experience yet to hang on like Frank did.

    Lewis would crucify AJ. I think Lewis would approach him like he did the Golota and Ruddock fights. Lewis underestimated Bruno, he would not underestimate Joshua.

    McCall is not getting knocked out. We know that much. Joshua shot his bolt against Wlad who was able to get back into the fight. McCall would get back into the fight too, but he's not picking himself off the floor to do it, he's not 41 years old so he can capitalise more than Wlad did and end proceedings as soon as Joshua drains himself.
     
  3. Okin129

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    Don't be foolish, Frank Bruno was never as good as Anthony Joshua, he did nothing better than him, therefore it's logical that Anthony Joshua would perform better against those guys than Frank Bruno did.

    Wladimir Klitschko at 41 years old is better than Witherspoon and McCall were and he is probably better than the
    1993 version of Lennox Lewis.
     
  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I think Joshua is better than Bruno. He will be. But right now it's foolish to forecast that he's going to be better than he was in the Wlad fight even if I believe he will be.

    Therefore he must be measured on what he showed in that albeit great fight. What constitutes a great fight for the viewer can be viewed as a reckless fight from a boxing perspective.

    If we take that learning fight performance (Joshua Wlad) and assess it we have a young talented fighter conceding centre ring becoming frustrated. He then flew out trying to knock out his opponent in an all eggs in one basket attempt. He scores a knock down but the effort weakens him leaving a Joshua vulnerable enough to get knocked down himself from an already hurt fighter. Showing grit and durability joshua gets up and has to take a couple of rounds off to recover enough and mount the next attack.

    Like I say, it's great entertainment and it ticks a lot of boxes. He has late round power, a great chin, can do 11 rounds and get off the floor to win. So Joshua comes out of it ten times more experienced.

    But using what he did in that fight, without the hindsight of knowing he has improved with that experience, we take all of that back off him and send him back into the ring against Tyson, Lewis and Witherspoon using that performance he gets knocked out each time.

    I'm sorry but that is just how it is. He's potentially great. He potentially is so much better next time I can change my mind. But sending him out as he was for Wlad I am not changing my mind. That was far too reckless for the guys who beat Bruno.
     
  5. Azzer85

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    I personally don't see Bruno going life and death with a 41 year old.
     
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  6. SambaKing

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    You are fooling no one, fergy. Another undercover tyson thread. You are desperate to see people say he beats AJ but u are under the guise of a Bruno thread.
     
  7. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Ah ah I look forward to seeing your little comments now Sandra, makes me day sunbeam.
     
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  8. Okin129

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    Wladimir Klitschko at 41 years old would beat Frank Bruno.
     
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  9. Azzer85

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    Based on what?

    If Bruno could handle a prime Lewis, he'd have got 41 year old Wladmir out of there.

    Please stop hyping up a 41 year old Wladmir to make Joshua look good.
     
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  10. Fergy

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    I actually see Bruno stopping klitschko of that fight. I don't think it gets past the sixth.
     
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  11. Okin129

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    What are you talking about ?

    Lennox Lewis wasn't even in his prime in 1993 and he knocked Frank Bruno out.

    Seriously, 41 year old Wladimir Klitschko would knock Frank Bruno out.
     
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  12. Howitzer1888

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    Oliver McCall just seemed far too passive against Frank, for most of the fight, anyway. Any chance Anthony attempts to outbox him to a decision instead of trying to bomb him out which wouldn't work? I don't think he has Bruno's jab, but he could still do it.
     
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  13. Azzer85

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    Lewis wasn't in his prime in 93?

    Well neither was Bruno, you could argue Bruno was slightly past it.

    Like I said before, just because Joshua went life and death with a 41 year old. Doesn't mean that 41 year old was anything special.
     
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    Lewis was still a bit green in 1993, he started his career in 1989 and had only 23 fights before the fight with Frank
    Bruno, he was nowhere as good as he was in 1997-2002.

    If you are blind then the 41 year old guy wasn't anything special, i personally have never seen a 41 year old heavyweight in better shape.
     
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  15. Man_Machine

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    I'd give a prime Bruno a very good chance at beating a prime Wlad (50/50, in my opinion).

    Wlad-v2017? Prime Bruno beats him.
     
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