What GGG/Jacobs & Ward/Kovalev taught us about GGG/Ward

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  1. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There are a lot of people talking today about what would have happened in a potential GGG-Ward fight now that the second Ward-Kovalev fight is in the books.

    To me, nothing has changed. The variables are still the same, and the outcome of that potential bout between Golovkin and Ward looks the same as it did before Golovkin-Jacobs or Ward-Kovalev 1 & 2.

    In the first Ward-Kovalev fight, Ward was able to exploit Kovalev's stamina. In the second Ward-Kovalev fight, Ward was able to exploit some punch resistance weakness to Kovalev's body (which may have been heightened due to low blows).

    And in GGG-Jacobs, Jacobs was able to avoid being stopped by Golovkin and he was able to use some boxing to his advantage as the fight wore on.

    So, what does all of this tell us about a possible GGG-Ward fight?

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    (at least not Prime Golovkin)

    Golovkin has never had any stamina issues to my knowledge. In fact, he's finished off fighters later in bouts a number of times in his career (Murray, Stevens, Lemeiux). So this is unlikely to be any kind of issue for Golovkin in a potential bout with Ward.

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    Golovkin's two major identities as a fighter are his punching ability and his chin. Everyone knows he's never been knocked down in 400 or so amateur fights and pro fights. There is essentially zero chance to hurt him seriously if you are an opponent, at least during his prime run.

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    Jacobs ---------> 6' 1" with 73" reach
    Ward -----------> 6' 0" with 71" reach

    So to get an idea of what GGG would look like, physically, against Ward the Jacobs fight is a good example.
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    This is the key issue, in my opinion, and the biggest reason why I have a hard time seeing Ward have success against Golovkin -- no power.

    As he did against Lemeiux, Golovkin fought a bit more cautiously against Jacobs because of Jacobs' punching power. So we saw a somewhat more restrained version of GGG in that fight.

    Still, Jacobs was sent down to the canvas. In every bout of Golovkin's career which has been scheduled for 12 rounds, the opponent was either T/KO'd or at least hit the canvas once.

    Turning to a potential GGG-Ward bout, then, I see these things:

    - Ward goes down at least once in the fight, and is potentially stopped

    - GGG likely fights Ward as he did Brook, with no concern for Ward's power and just stalking Ward to land his own heavy shots


    Is there a chance Ward wins the fight, despite the match-up problems? Yes. If he were able to stay on the move and box GGG the entire bout while staying out of harm's way it's possible. As Jacobs did in the second half of the GGG fight.

    It's possible, but unlikely. Ward is not an outside fighter and he's not a fighter who tends to stay at distance. Ward likes to come inside and that means he's coming into GGG's power zone. That's a recipe for a GGG stoppage win.

    Ward is the naturally larger man in this potential bout. That said, I don't think Ward's size is enough to overcome his other issues in a potential GGG bout and my guess is that Ward does not see the final bell in the fight.

    I agree with the assessment of boxer Darnell Boone (also previous GGG sparring partner) who fought both Ward and Kovalev. He says that he feels GGG beats Ward (and Kovalev), and that's how I see it as well.
     
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  2. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Golovkin just doesn't have the skills, boxing ability, or size to win rounds vs Ward.

    Kell brook dominated GGG in round 2 of their fight, completed outboxed him. He was making GGG miss a lot and was far, far quicker on the counter. This guy is a welterweight.

    Jacobs wouldn't win a round vs Ward, neither would GGG. You are talking about 2 completely different levels of fighter.

    Kovalev would KO GGG as well, to think of all the shots GGG took when he faced Jacobs and Brook with someone of Kovalev's power. It would be a massacre.
     
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  3. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    @Pimp C have you seen this lol
     
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  5. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It might be, but likely not in the way you think.

    It's not a good match-up for Ward. It never was. For the reasons I explained in the first post.

    Again, Boone has fought or sparred with all three men. So I feel pretty good on my assessment of the situation seeing as it matches Boone's own thoughts.
     
  6. DirkMcgirk

    DirkMcgirk New Member banned Full Member

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    Kovalev unequivocally hits harder than ggg. that's no dig against ggg but im simply stating a fact. where as, ggg might have lightheavy weight power, kovalev absolutely has heavyweight power. ward stated last night you have to take a little to give a little in fight with kovalev, so if reasonably handled kovs power the first 2 fights why would he have any trouble handling ggg power. i also think your argument is flawed with respect to SOG not having power. it's one thing to say a fighter doesnt have power, but when you are in the ring with him and he jabs or shoots a cross to your high guard you know right at that moment if this is something you are equipped to be lackadaisical about. in a ward vs ggg, ggg would not be arrogant enough to think he can handle wards power over and over and over again
     
  7. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed, my main takeaway from Ward's stoppage win of a top 2 light heavyweight and Golovkin's narrow decision over an undistinguished middleweight is that Golovkin is all wrong for Ward.
     
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  8. Tyson Fury Goat

    Tyson Fury Goat Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Golovkin was always better skilled then kovalev and has better condition its no secret golovkin use to toy with sergey in sparring and in one occasion knocked him out with big gloves to the body. many people saw It happened even his own trainer.

    Golovkin also takes a better shot kovalev has been down many times in his career and some by light punches

    Kovalev is one dimensional and has great power he cant cut of a ring to save his life how the hell did a 51 year old shot Hopkins survive?
     
  9. Tyson Fury Goat

    Tyson Fury Goat Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    styles makes fight who would of thought maidana would of given Floyd a better fight then canelo?
     
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  10. Tyson Fury Goat

    Tyson Fury Goat Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    kovalev couldn't ko many fighters about 6 fighters went the distance with him ......golovkin himself knocked him out in sparring

    Boone nearly stopped kovalev in their first fight
     
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  11. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In a vacuum, perhaps Ward has some power. Or underrated power.

    Against a guy who has never been down in 400 fights and who will gladly take a punch to give his own, Ward has no power.

    This is why I mentioned GGG-Brook. GGG simply did not care at all about Brook's power, which is why he was content to eat shots just so he could walk Brook down.

    It's very difficult to beat GGG if you don't have power, in my mind. Especially Prime GGG. Maybe it's different as he fades with age.
     
  12. IsaL

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    But but but GGG is a small MW.
     
  13. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The undistinguished MW hits harder than Ward and is larger than Ward, in height/reach.

    The problem for the good LHW is that, apparently, he has stamina and body punch resistance issues. Which GGG does not, as pointed out in the first post of the thread.

    Match-ups make fights. I don't think Ward matches up well against GGG.
     
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  14. DonnyMo

    DonnyMo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Guys, Ward won fair and square last night by KO..... but you have to stop talking about his skill and quickness. He was comprehensively out boxed and no quicker than kovalev through 19rds of boxing. We can differ on how to interpret the scoring of those two fights - but Kov is a simple 1-2 puncher with cement feet, no understanding of angles, highly predictable, no body attack, left hook, no uppercuts.

    He got jabbed up and landed on pretty easily by the right hand. Kovalev has the conditioning of a 4rd fighter to be honest. That isn't the case with GGG. GGG is quicker than KOV, has a much better jab, and is a two handed fighter. their skill level is light years apart.

    If Ward were to have won at 168lbs it is because the size difference and nothing else. Move to mythical matchups. Wards last fight at SMW was June 2013, then he gets locked up two years of litigation where he couldn't have fought anyone on HBO...
     
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  15. Birmingham

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    one shot power I don't think theres a big difference between Jacobs and Kov. Kov wears you down, Jacobs for his weight is a bigger puncher. Golovkin is very skilful also, its a fact. Brook was fighting out of his skin v GGG and it was short once GGG turned it on. You say they are on different levels Ward and GGG, its simply not true. Both are great fighters with different styles. There is a big size difference also.
     
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