Is Ward now an All Time Great? (As in top 100 of all time)

Sounds like a personal issue. De La Hoya is a pretty good benchmark for top 50. Ward is right there.

 

Ward has a very good resume at this point. Hall of Fame worthy. But, short of All Time Great at this point.

 

Plus, McGrain's list is a little old at this point, and Bert Sugar's been dead a few years. Those lists might need a shake up and could benefit from the inclusion of names like Donaire, Rigondeaux, Martinez, Ward, Canelo, Golovkin, and Gonzalez. And whoever said it above, you're right, I'd rather have Mike McCallum in there than some of those other names.

 

Yeah, but when De La Hoya beat them Chavez and Whitaker were much older and smaller than him. Plus, Whitaker has a minor claim to having possibly won their bout. If you can give Trinidad unofficially to De La Hoya you can do the same thing for Whitaker.

 

Lmao at the person who said Ward would KO a younger Hopkins

 

I don't know how you arrive to that conclusion, but then again I don't know your criteria and this is where it is always confusing.
I personally don't give massive weighting to pre or post-prime losses. For example, some would say Roy Jones' legacy is tainted by his shot losses...I affirm that his legacy was secure already and any life decisions he makes to continue fighting will not affect the body of work he put in before.

Likewise, I don't give someone like Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather much credit at all for beating a 2010-2011 ancient artefact from the Neolithic period in Shane Mosley. I won't punish fighters post-prime so much for having the longevity to beat some top guys, even if they lose to some other top guys. It's better to have that longevity and take decent wins than to not have any on your resume in order to protect the number of losses from growing.

It is through this angle that I can appreciate Mike's work, whilst also being thoroughly impressed with the names on his resume during prime, too.

Ward -
W Kovalev 2
E Kovalev 1 (E for even)
W Froch
W Kessler
W Abraham
W Barrera
w Miranda
W Drained (well and truly) Dawson
They don't quite compare to McCallum's ledger on equal terms.

 

That's a big IF since I have my doubts that he's better than Kovalev, for starters.

 

Where is the "not even close" option?

 

Mike McCallum 3 weight champion, competed from light middleweight to cruiserweight 4 weight classes, victories over Kalule, Jackson, Curry, Graham, Collins, Watson, Kalambay, Toney, and Harding

vs

Andre Ward 2 weight champion, competed from super middleweight to light heavyweight 2 weight classes, victories over Kovalev, Froch, Dawson, Kessler, Bika, Abraham

Nah, I'm not seeing Ward being as good as McCallum yet. Maybe, with a few more victories. You know, I don't think McCallum was ever rated on the pound for pound lists, even though some of the people he beat were.

 

Yeah, give me McCallum over Ward at this point.

 

MaCallum doesn't have any victories over Toney. Curry came up from welter and had already been caught at the tail end of his career by Honeyghan.
Collins was as good as Froch. Watson is a good win.
The body snatcher is a genuine ATG . One of the best 154 pounders ever. I think Ward is in the same ATG bracket. Just at the end or outside the top 100.

 

I'm too busy to really go into detail atm, but Ward has been more dominant than McCallum and wins on the eye test. Ward really trounced a lot of his comp, which is rare at that level.

 

His resume is awesome at 168 and he just knocked out a near prime Sergey Kovalev.

ATG.