What really is a low blow? Let's get a referee's perspective

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  1. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    I know you know this and I will give you a perspective from someone who has Refereed 100s of fights and been to hours upon hours of clinics...

    All of FB fans posting BS and a lot of the boxing commentators have no clue what a low blow is...including apparently even Tony Weeks....

    Forget beltline BS and the letters and all the crap you read from the geniuses online.....The lowblow line is the navel..period..its not the belt line or the letters during a bout the beltline moves up or down all through the fight..so a good ref doesn't focus on that...

    Stand in front of a mirror and pull up your shirt..see how much space is between your navel and your nuts.....that line you can not see so when I would Ref if I saw a punch "on the line"..I would remind the the boxer to keep his punches up..that usually works..you are not penalizing him only reminding...I would not stop the action unless the punches were wandering under the navel line..then I might stop action and warn the boxer "if you keep going there I'm gonna take a point away if you keep it up...99% of the time that would end the problem
     
  2. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    So everyone (most) is wrong then? Because he wasn't hit in the nuts either, but technically it was low... see where I'm going?
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Good vid on it

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  4. You've Got Male

    You've Got Male Member Full Member

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    Race-baiter
     
  5. You've Got Male

    You've Got Male Member Full Member

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    Low AF
     
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  6. Dirsspaardis

    Dirsspaardis Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He wasn't getting hit right in the nuts until he was (last shot). That's the point of keeping an eye on shots "on the belt line", Weeks issued 1 warning and with the sense of fulfilled duty ignored the rest. No warnings = fighter thinks he's doing good. But, like you said, most don't seem to acknowledge this, refs included.

    #horriblereffing #bullshitstoppage #givememytimebackitwasreallyhardtostayawake #goodthingrigofightwasshort.stillsuckedtho
     
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  7. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    All the body punches in round 8 are low. Weeks are in the position to notice all, they are not warrant a point deduction though. But a warning should have been issued or the referee should have told ward to keep it up without halting the action.
    I blame the referee for failing to ensure that.
     
  8. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Did you also blame weeks for allowing Maidana to maul the **** out of pbf?
     
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  9. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Maidana is an unskilled brawler that's why he needs dirty tactics. The question is why Ward who is supposed to be a boxing genius, P4P #1 needs to be that dirty?
     
  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    First of all the two belt-line punches with 1:45 left in the 8th, Weeks did not give a warning to Ward because they weren't low. They landed exactly at the place that Weeks pointed to on Kovalev's trunks at the beginning of the bout. Understand that Kovalev did get a few extra moments there to recover as Ward stopped punching and looked at Weeks. Weeks clearly made it clear that those weren't low. So Kovalev got a few seconds of recovery time, Andre Ward could have continued to punch but he didn't. Ward gave Kovalev some recovery time, as a gentleman, but in reality those punches were absolutely not low. You're absurdly saying that all of the body punches in round 8 were low. That's just clearly not accurate. Belt-line punches where Weeks pointed to pre-fight are not considered low, and the only punch in the 8th round that was lower than that was the final punch. (the two hooks before that we don't have good camera angles to 100% confirm where they landed, but they were higher than the last punch) Lets just be clear, you do not have sufficient evidence to state that all the body punches in round 8 were low. You saying that just shows how biased you are. Please correct your statement and admit that punches that landed where Tony Weeks pointed to on Kovalev's trunks at the beginning of the bout should very clearly be seen and judged to be legal punches.
     
  11. Dirsspaardis

    Dirsspaardis Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Serge, I think there's an opportunity for a certain 3 word combo nearby :D
     
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  12. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    Come on dude, I forgot how that fight exactly look like lol. Yes maidana do a lot of rough housing and a good referee should reprimand that. Tbh I can't remember what the referee action was at the time without reviewing the fight again.
    I know at times I take a dig at mayweather and ward but I do respect them and none affect the way I view their fight. I also have floyd edged both maidana fights, although I must admit it is fun to see floyd pushed to the brink like that.
     
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  13. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    I think this is open to interpretation, which is why I blame weeks the most for what transpiring. I'm going to be as fair as I could to ward. He did his job as per the guideline set by Weeks. He went to work as early as round 4 and anybody can see that the tide has began to change.
    So I still stand on my statement that those punches are low and I guess I disagree with weeks right at the fight instruction before the fight began and after a good performance from round 1-7, he completely blew round 8.
    As for the first body blow where kov turn away, IMO is also borderline low and if I were the referee I would have give a warning to ward. But credit to ward for stop punching cause it could have ended right there.
     
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  14. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    The point, of pointing out that the punch landed square on a letter of Kovalevs sponsor, is to 'prove' that Wards punch was below the naval, which is obviously what constitutes a low blow. Its because Ward fans try and argue where his naval is and what constitutes borderline because of where his naval is or isnt (since, like you said, trunks move)

    But there is absolutely no way for a guys sponsors logo to move above his damn naval, especially when hes bending over of all things, which is why pointing out exactly where, and giving a visual context to where, wards punch landed, is important.
     
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    There's no debate to be had here it was clearly a low blow (ie a foul) and the correct thing to do there is to give the recipient of the low blow (ie a foul) 5 minutes to recover from it and you warn or you penalise the fighter who committed the foul you don't wave the fight off in that scenario. Jesus ****** Christ lol.

    And there isn't a chance in hell Weeks would've done so if the roles were reversed and anyone who thinks he would of is either dog stupid or as intellectually dishonest as those that have been claiming that a blow that clearly landed low isn't low despite there being irrefutable proof it landed low by way of video evidence.
     
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