"Marciano was the hardest puncher I ever seen" - Don Turner

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by reznick, Jun 21, 2017.


Page 4 of 19
  1. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,588
    5,481
    Jan 19, 2016
    Fully agree with this but agree with what McVey says that you can't discount the work that went before. You can't call it a one punch kayo when Marciano had landed 4 or 500 or so punches beforehand but, equally, you can't call it a classic grind down when Joe was, as you say, perfectly able to fight back effectively until that last punch.

    6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
     
    Eddie Ezzard, Jun 21, 2017
    Eddie Ezzard, Jun 21, 2017
    #46
  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

    15,901
    7,643
    Mar 17, 2010
    Yeah, and Turner has trained world title holders as well.

    Is there a special number of world title holders one needs to train to earn your credit? How arbitrary.
    Is it 3? Is it 5? Is it 7?
    Where do we separate the men from the boys.
    4?
     
    reznick, Jun 21, 2017
    reznick, Jun 21, 2017
    #47
    choklab and RockyJim like this.
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

    98,642
    30,529
    Jun 2, 2006
    Lets leave it before you start your usual shenanigans.
     
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2017
    mcvey, Jun 21, 2017
    mcvey, Jun 21, 2017
    #48
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

    98,642
    30,529
    Jun 2, 2006
    You pick who suits you.It wont disturb my evening.
     
    mcvey, Jun 21, 2017
    mcvey, Jun 21, 2017
    #49
  5. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

    15,901
    7,643
    Mar 17, 2010
    The punches Rocky landed on Walcott prior to the KO helped weaken Walcotts boxing ability, in the sense that it helped break down his defense and slowed him down. It helped Marciano reach Walcott for the final blow, but it had nothing to do with hurting him to the point where he was close to being knocked out.

    He wasn't in survival mode, holding onto the ropes, or trying to regain his balance. There was none of that.

    It was a pure one punch KO.
    If Marciano were able to connect it in round 1, it would've dropped him all the same.
     
    reznick, Jun 21, 2017
    reznick, Jun 21, 2017
    #50
    RockyJim likes this.
  6. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

    15,901
    7,643
    Mar 17, 2010
    I don't wish to disturb your evening.
    Just pointing out weaknesses in your argument.
     
    reznick, Jun 21, 2017
    reznick, Jun 21, 2017
    #51
    RockyJim likes this.
  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

    98,642
    30,529
    Jun 2, 2006
    Get back to your project and stop wasting time here, the clock is ticking ,I might have a heart attack or something.
     
    mcvey, Jun 21, 2017
    mcvey, Jun 21, 2017
    #52
  8. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,684
    6,189
    Dec 23, 2008
    Marciano was undoubtedly the hardest punching fighter in the world when he was fighting but to say that no one in the 60+ Years since he retired has managed to even match him in pure punching power, let alone surpass him, does take some believing.
     
    Ken Ashcroft, Jun 21, 2017
    Ken Ashcroft, Jun 21, 2017
    #53
    robert ungurean likes this.
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

    98,642
    30,529
    Jun 2, 2006
    Did he hit harder than contemporary guys like,Sheppard,and Satterfield?
     
    mcvey, Jun 21, 2017
    mcvey, Jun 21, 2017
    #54
  10. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,343
    1,539
    Apr 26, 2015
    Marciano wins over Walcott in both fight one and two were one punch knockouts. The KO in both fights was caused by single blows. I don't understand the effort to call it any other way.
     
    Perry, Jun 21, 2017
    Perry, Jun 21, 2017
    #55
    RockyJim and reznick like this.
  11. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,314
    505
    Jan 28, 2007
    Moore also said that Rocky got a long count when he dropped him. For whatever reason, Archie never wanted to give Marciano full credit for their fight. Patterson's punches hurt Archie more emphatically than any of those men, yet we can all probably agree he didn't carry the same punch as Marciano or Sheppard.

    Not saying Rocky was the hardest puncher ever, but Moore tended to have a slanted view of Marciano and that should be taken into consideration in the discussion.
     
    Bill1234, Jun 21, 2017
    Bill1234, Jun 21, 2017
    #56
    Nighttrain likes this.
  12. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,517
    13,085
    Oct 12, 2013
    This content is protected
     
    richdanahuff, Jun 21, 2017
    richdanahuff, Jun 21, 2017
    #57
    RockyJim and reznick like this.
  13. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,517
    13,085
    Oct 12, 2013
    This content is protected
     
    richdanahuff, Jun 21, 2017
    richdanahuff, Jun 21, 2017
    #58
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

    29,575
    20,137
    Apr 3, 2012
    "Michael Grant will knock out Lennox Lewis." --Don Turner
     
    NoNeck, Jun 21, 2017
    NoNeck, Jun 21, 2017
    #59
  15. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

    15,901
    7,643
    Mar 17, 2010
    Grant was Turners fighter...
     
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2017
    reznick, Jun 21, 2017
    reznick, Jun 21, 2017
    #60
Page 4 of 19