"Marciano was the hardest puncher I ever seen" - Don Turner

What the heck are you talking about.
16 is old enough to be an amatuer deeply entrenched in the scene. Turner used to train with a really young Ali.

You think Tyson can't remember who was champion was at 15?? I think you forgot what 15 years old is like.

 

Mcvey, 16 years old is not 4 years old. You can have very vivid memories of superstar athletes when you are a sophomore in high school. You're acting like Turner was an embryo and couldn't have appreciated Marciano. You're smarter than that.

Yeah, I made a mistake saying Louis was in his prime at that time.

Also Turner said Kov should win, and if he doesn't, it's not his (Dons) fault. Do you seriously think making a wrong pick on a fight hurts a trainers credibility?

Can you provide the names of great trainers who never made a wrong pick?

You keep using little things that shouldn't make people look bad, and you try to use them to make them look bad.

 

How can you prove that you haven't been trolling the last 60k posts? Some things can't be proven, and it's silly to ask for proof about someone's honesty.

Turner is in Lomachenkos camp. He is currently around some of the best talent of the sport.

You keep dissing him as a drunk, or a barber, because his testimony doesn't fit your agenda. And it raises serious questions about your credibility because it shows you are willing to invent extremes when new information doesn't fit your theories. In my opinion at least.

 

Rocky hater #1 finds pro-Rocky trainer to be ridiculous.

Phew, who saw that one coming?

 

Marciano didn't have the best showing against Cockell. And Don was fighting well, and looked durable that night.

I'd assume Tyson Louis, and even Rocky should take him out sooner, but you never know.

I'd never expect Natie Brown to go 10 with Louis.

The point is the argument is predicated on a double standard, which invalidates it imo.

 

Lol when did I diss Jack Dempsey?
I probably used him getting KO'd in one to point out your stark double standard in criticism in fighters. It has nothing to do with dissing Dempsey, and everything to do with putting the most obvious clue right in front of your eyeballs.

You'll criticize fighter A for doing X. Yet fighter B C D and E will all have done X as well.

This isn't about protecting heros.
It's about accuracy.

Looking at ATG fighters in a negative light as the baseline is off the mark. Which is what many boxing fans do. So when people are egregious in their criticisms, yeah, someone needs to offer a more realistic perspective.

I have no personal stake in any of these boxers careers. But I do passionately care about the accuracy of the "lore" so to speak.

 

Damn, any chance someone here has access to those archived posts?
Sounds like some really interesting stuff.

 

He knew Goldman, and learned from him.
Which means he may have heard things that the general public has not.

Do you think we also know as much about Rocky as Stewart?
And if Turners opinion is invalidated, is Stewarts as well?