Potential superfight being set up

Danny would FK Canelo up just not as quickly as GGG is going to do IMO

 

We've already seen Mayweather beat Canelo, and it's pointless to see it again. If we accept with the poster here that it wasn't a total whitewashing, Mayweather still controlled and clearly won almost every round, 'kind of close' as they might have been. The Mayweather haters will reasonably say he only fought someone he already beat, so it's ridiculous to say rematching Canelo would silence the critics. And from Canelo, the first one wasn't close enough to deserve a rematch. We rarely get rematches of matches that one-sided, and to push a rematch in that case as a superfight is outrageous.

Why can't Golovkin-Mayweather if GGG wins be the superfight? Taking on the monster GGG would be a new challenge. It would be the ultimate stylistic difficulty, with aspects of Castillo, De la Hoya, and Maidana in Golovkin, in a bigger, murderous puncher body. I think no one should insist Mayweather ought to fight Golovkin. He is naturally two divisions bigger and he doesn't have to even entertain the notion. But just imagine if he pulls it off. He would accomplish the almost impossible and put the greatest notch on his legacy. And if he lost, we could only say he was past his prime, and it was the same thing that happened to so many past greats, Robinson against Maxim, etc. The risk only being, well, a concussion, and being forced to taste humility for the first time in his life.

And GGG, he would have the chance to beat the greatest boxer of the last 30 years. GGG may not be as popular as Canelo, but he's still one of the ten or so most popular boxers in the world, and it would sell well enough.

That's what's the logical possibility. It only wouldn't give Floyd the money Pacquiao and McGregor do. But if that's what he expects, then he priced himself out of a fight with any boxer after he beat Pacquiao. Well, we could look at Golovkin as a business challenge for Floyd: he would have the chance to prove he can make an event as the true A side he claims he is, without having to use the starpower of De la Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Pacquiao, or McGregor as a crutch

No reason for Mayweather to box again if it's against anyone else. Including a meaningless rematch with Canelo. But if he wants it... let's see Mayweather against Golovkin!

 

LOL why would Mayweather do that? So he could win every round again and have Oscar's judges actually rip him off this time instead of scoring it a Draw like last time? They already fought and it wasn't competitive.

 

We've seen Mayweather Canelo at a 152-lb catchweight 4 years ago. Suffice to say, due to that, we didn't get the chance to see the best version of Canelo possible, and yet it still turned out to be Floyd's closest bout in years and one of the most difficult of his career. So right that that tells you that there definetly was a point to it. The Floyd vs Canelo scorecards were identical to Floyd vs Maidana 1, and I think any boxing fan can see that Canelo was a much more mentally draining fight than Floyd vs Maidana 1. It's plainly obvious that Floyd was more focused for Canelo that the was vs Maidana. Floyd let Maidana make that a more fan friendly fight, he didn't have to reach deep into his bag of tricks to beat Maidana like he had to vs Canelo. I can give you countless example of what I am referring to here, regarding the tactics that Floyd utilized vs Canelo that he didn't have to use vs Maidana. Basically Floyd brought his A game when he fought Canelo, whereas Floyd was able to handle Maidana with his B game. It's not surprising that many fans were more entertained by Maidana, and wanted to see that rematch as opposed to a rematch with Canelo as Maidana was able to have some moments where he landed against Floyd. I mean lets be real, Floyd vs Canelo was more of a counter punching duel while Floyd vs Maidana was more of a toe-to-toe slugfest. I personally as a student of the sweet science like the mental chess match that was Floyd vs Canelo as opposed to Floyd Maidana which wasn't fought at as high of a level, but to each their own.

It's obvious that your agenda here is to continue to act like Floyd vs Canelo was too wide or too one sided to warrant a rematch, when the scorecards indicate it wasn't. It was definetly close enough to be worthy of a rematch, and Canelo has only gotten better. As an example, look at Roy Jones vs Hopkins. Their first fight wasn't all that competitive. Roy Jones essentially schooled Hopkins in 1993 winning most of the rounds rather easily. Floyd vs Canelo in my view was much closer and more interesting than RJJ Hopkins 1. But yet that didn't stop the public from wanting to see Roy Jones fight Hopkins again after Hopkins improved and got better. It finally happened 17 years later. So it's not like something like that can't happen again. Obviously that's very different with Canelo not having declined like Roy did at one point, but still even in the late 90s before Roy declined, there was still a desire to see a RJJ Hopkins rematch, which is what I was getting at. It's really not so much about proving that Floyd can beat Canelo, it's more just about putting on the best possible matchup if Floyd is to continue after fighting Conor. Floyd may be more willing to negotiate with Canelo than he would with Triple G. Canelo may even consider another catchweight to make that fight happen, which would be more reasonable at Middleweight than it was at Light Middle 4 years ago since Floyd has never fought above 154.

We know that fighting Floyd again is a fight that Canelo wants, to avenge the loss, and has asked for it since 2013. So there's all sorts of storylines that could go into a true Super Fight between Floyd and Canelo at Middleweight. That really depends on Floyd as we know win or lose vs Triple G, Canelo will still want to fight Floyd. But I think it has more of a chance of happening if Floyd and Canelo both win, and if Floyd decides to continue fighting. Those are big IFs, but it's definitely a fight that some fans like myself and the OP would like to see. But we can't get ahead of ourselves, we have to see how the next several months play out. We don't even know if Floyd will fight beyond McGregor, but I did like their first fight and personally would love to see it again. Floyd may actually be more comfortable fighting Canelo because there's less unknowns as he's already been in there with him, while with Triple G Floyd may be a little more worried about what kind of power Triple G has, however that question may get answered Sept 16 so we will have to wait and see.

Look, I'd be happy to see Mayweather vs Triple G or Mayweather vs Canelo. But we have no idea if Floyd will continue after fighting Conor. I doubt Floyd will want to take the risk at 40 years old to fight either guy, but we know Floyd fighting the winner of Canelo Triple G is gonna be his biggest payday. (at least amongst boxers) Floyd fighting Canelo or Triple G at Middleweight would be him daring to be great. I'm not sure how smart it is for Floyd to take that kind of a risk, but it really depends on how sharp Floyd still is at 40, which we will find out in 2 months time.

A lot of Floyd's fans probably believe he could still beat Canelo or could even beat Triple G at Middleweight. But is it worth the risk trying to prove that point? If Floyd and Canelo both win, they will both have 50 wins each, which will make it a P4P relevant fight in that scenario if that still matters to Floyd, especially with Ward in the mix. We're gonna have to see how these fights play out and how good Floyd, Canelo and Triple G look, and if Floyd has a desire to continue. Didn't Triple G say he may retire after fighting Canelo lol, so how are we supposed to interpret that? Canelo will fight whoever they put in front of him. Fighting Triple G or Floyd are the biggest fights out there. Triple G said he'd fight Floyd at 154 that that's a dream fight for him didn't he lol.

 

It may not have been competitive to you, but it was competitive. You obviously are very concerned about Oscar's influence on judges, it's kind of sad that you are unable to rate Canelo's performances. There's obviously a reason why Canelo vs Triple G is such a major event, and even Triple G admits that it's his biggest fight of his career. You're acting like Canelo hasn't deserved the decisions he's gotten which is very insulting as a boxing fan. Canelo's obviously doing something right and you think that’s because Oscar is somehow paying off the judges. Judges may be influenced by how they interpret rounds, there may be favoritism but it's not something that can be plainly seen. I mean we seen just as much controversy with Ward beating Kovalev in the first fight, and Oscar wasn't involved in that bout. Ask yourself, what was closer to you, Ward Kovalev 1 or Canelo vs Lara? Which was the bigger "robbery" to you? Well Oscar wasn't involved in Ward Kovalev, some fights are just going to be controversial when you have close, hard to score rounds. Promoters like Oscar De La Hoya are not going to risk their livelihood by trying to rig a fight or get to judges before the fight like your suggesting. It's pure paranoia on your part to suggest Oscar would do such a thing to ensure Canelo wins fights. Canelo is good enough to sway judges on his own with his performances.

 

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You better not go into hiding now when Canelo whoops GGG's ass.

 

Dragging a 175lb man to 152.

A side advantages for the ATG at 36 vs the 22 y/o who'd beaten nobody of consequence up to that point.

Now, could Floyd demand Alvarez below 155.

No chance.

At 155...even if GGG beat the absolute urine out of Alvarez, no chance Floyd would be looking to fight him at a weight he's more comfortable making.

 

If Canelo becomes the Full MW Champ, do you think a catchweight below 160 would be appropriate if he were to fight Floyd? (158 or 156) A lot of fans would rightfully be against any future catchweights at Middleweight, after what we've seen, but to make the Floyd fight, well Floyd may be more willing to take the fight (vs Canelo or Triple G) at a catchweight such as 158 lbs or 156 lbs. We know Triple G has already stated he would be willing to fight Floyd as low as 154. And we know Canelo vs Floyd already had a catchweight. If the only way that Floyd would fight Triple G or Canelo at MW is at a catchweight, do you think that's reasonable? The higher the weight the more a fight with Floyd would favor Triple G or Canelo. But if he fights for the MW Champ, it's gonna have to be above 154? Do you think Floyd would even consider fighting them at 160 or would he only fight them at a catchweight like 156 or 158?

 

I appreciate your post and analysis, and accept almost all of it. Floyd beat Maidana every bit as clearly as he did Canelo, and he was in control despite being not getting out of first gear and fighting Maidana's fight. And yes Canelo gave Floyd his most complicated challenge since Oscar. Canelo's heavy, front-foot jab wasn't easy for Floyd to deal with, nor his punch variation, even his ability to block and parry as defence. But guess what? Floyd adjusted, and as he knew he had to he brought out his best. He mastered his distance to outbox Canelo on the outside, his was at his slickest best, he countered brilliantly, and he punched with devastating accuracy. As I said, no he didn't whitewash rounds and even as the rounds mounted Canelo wasn't embarrassed, but Floyd as he's so good at tactically managed rounds, nullified Canelo enough to keep on clearly even if closely winning rounds, and piled up a big points lead. After the first two or three rounds, Floyd won almost all but one or two at most (I recall he coasted the last one). That means regardless of the the totality of the fight, it was a dominant Floyd win. The scorecards aren't much of an argument. The draw card was atrocious, and the 8-4 card gave Canelo the benefit of every doubt. It was a likely 9-3 match, maybe 10-2, maybe 8-4.

I accept there can be reasonable calls for rematches of dominant first matches. When the boxer who lost gains enough credentials and accomplishments to make it worthwhile for the winner and he significantly improves enough to make his case for a rematch. That does rarely happen, but yes by the time Hopkins beat Trinidad he had earned the right on both counts for a Jones rematch, and Jones incidentally at that time was deservedly criticised for his opposition so should've agreed to it. Though it's only been four rather than nine years, Canelo has improved, and if he beats GGG he'll have the ledger to make beating him more significant. So sure, I was too harsh to call a Floyd-Canelo rematch meaningless. However, even if he beats GGG and establishes himself as the near king of boxing, Floyd and the public like Jones could simply feel he'd be fighting a guy he already dominated and there wouldn't be anything to prove. Whether it was warranted or not, he rematched Maidana because there were a lot of calls that Maidana made it close. With Canelo, there's no such difference of opinion Floyd feels compelled to settle.

Anyway, my point isn't that a Floyd-Canelo rematch would be horrible, but moreso that a Golovkin challenge would be much more rewarding for Floyd. Mentioning catchweights, GGG with less bargaining power than Canelo would be happy with a fight at 154, while Canelo I expect wouldn't be happy with less than 157, halfway down from middle. To compare the two: despite a rematch being 'warranted' I just don't think beating a guy he's already beaten and he'd be a strong favourite against can be called daring to be great, and Floyd probably feels the same. While if GGG beats Canelo so many people would believe this guy surely knocks Floyd's head off, and beating that monster would of course be unreal as I said for Floyd's legacy. I'll add that the two guys who beat another settling things between themselves is always compelling. If we can call a truce: the only viable opponent for a Floyd boxing superfight would simply be the winner of Canelo-Golovkin, whoever it is. I think GGG is obviously both much more dangerous and potentially rewarding, and if Floyd wants him I'd sure love to see it. And if Canelo wins and Floyd wants it, though I don't think it does enough for him and I'm personally just not wild about it, sure it would make enough sense. Last year I said beside Golovkin a Broner grudge match would be fun, but sadly they seem to have made up.

Realistically though, this is all just talk. Because most likely Mayweather returned only for this one-off spectacle, and doesn't want to come back to the reality of serious boxing. Golovkin's getting on himself, and if he sails off into the sunset after beating Canelo as Floyd did after Pacquiao, good for him too.

 

Floyd saw GGG mow down Brook, and Brook has excellent power at 147, even moreso at 160.
He then saw Brook fight the hardest hitting WW, and likely the best PURE BOXER as well(other than himself that is), and Brook, boiled down fought even before the injury.

Floyd knows that at the full 160, GGG would mow him down.
VS Alvarez, there is a slight chance he could lull Canelo into a counterpunchers duel, in which case his speed and defense would win him rds.

Hard to say....he'd be the A side in a 200mil PPV at 99.99.......and it would be likely a 70/30 split.

Might be worth an "injury" L at 40+ for an extra 100 mil in his pocket.

 

Wow that's a long ass post giving us a sneak preview at a card that happened several years ago...lol...

 

Last time I checked it was Lomachenko sporting the 56% connect ratio! !

 

Void is afraid of Golovkin, he could have fought Golovkin, of course Void would own the judges, referee and boxing commission. Did you see Bob Bennett lie right in front of the video replay?!

 

solid analysis

perhaps i might add just one point to it, which might be on the same level as those you mentioned:

while Canelo and GGG have more or less the same reach (w/in 1 cm), each has a different effective range (or preferred range) Because "range" is the dynamic counterpart to (static) reach, it's usually expressed not in distance but in movement--in particular, GGG's effective or preferred range is about one half step greater than Canelo's. Sure GGG throws lethal hooks to the body, but he prefers full extension--eg, his overhand right.

from what i've seen--granted i have only watched Canelo's last four fights but none before that--Canelo's power comes from shorter punches, again, about one half step closer than GGG's preferred range. This difference in preferred/effective range will have a significant role in the outcome, i believe--particularly because GGG manages range so fluidly and so precisely for every minute of every round and for every round as long as his fights last.

(side note: GGG's super-human jab might be due in part to the fact that he is naturally left handed. I don't know if he is in fact left handed (anyone seen him sign an autograph, etc.?) but i wouldn't be suprised if he is). I doubt they do it in gyms here in the US, but in the former USSR, a guy walks in a boxing gym and starts to fight southpaw, it's likely that a coach is just going to turn him around. They are not ignorant of the advantages of fighting southpaw, but it interferes with the former USSR "one-size-fits-all" high-volume, athlete factories--anyway, just an unverified guess).