Kovalev / Ward 2. From a neutral perspective

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  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Yeah , but you've been a Ward critic from day one. Didn't you claim Groves and Cleverly would beat Ward? lol
    C'mon.. Calazghe was on his knees from a far worse shot to the gonads from Bika and he still won.
    He got his face all busted up by head butts and he still won.

    Bika fouled Ward far worse than Ward fouled Kovalev.. Miranda fould Ward worse than Ward fouled Kovalev.
    Ward didn't really foul Kovalev until the last moment of the fight where the line of body and nuts became blurred from the huge cavity Sergy created by squatting over. :rambo1:
     
  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    But Kovalev didnt gas. He got caught with a good punch in round 8 that made him give ground.
     
  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Possibly at various times did pick for them but wouldnt at this point in their respective careers.
    Almost everyone on here is a critic in some form, but that doesnt also mean you dont give credit and always give respect for what these brave athletes do

    Why are you bringing up Calzaghe? Or a completely different fight. We dont know what peoples thresholds are when hit low several times. How many times was Calzaghe hit low? Also Calzaghe was given time to recover and the fight wasnt just waved off. Had Calzaghe taken that low blow and the fight waved off in favour of Bika, that could be a similar argument, but that didnt happen, so thats a ridiculous statement to seemingly justify a foul?
    Look at how badly Hopkins reacted when caught by a shot that I didnt think looked massive against Calzaghe. Hopkins was given time to recover and rightfully so if hit low, which is what Kovalev should have been given as it wasnt as if Ward had been warned in the fight already

    Not completely correct as Ward had been warned previously but also showing that with that comment that unless you can say otherwise with good reason, that fight should not have been decided by a foul
     
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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  5. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't believe there is a neutral perspective. In a big high profile fight like that, you're either for one fighter or the other. No point pretending otherwise.
     
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  6. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not sure how it is, with what you have written, that you can consider your position neutral.

    You state early on that you believe Kovalev won the first fight.

    You point out how Kovalev's jab troubled Ward but you do not acknowledge anything Ward had done to address this problem, in the latter stages of the fight.

    You mention Kovalev had complained to the Ref, earlier in the fight, about alleged low blows, but do not mention how, in at least one instance, Kovalev had complained of the same, without just cause.

    Nothing in your post gives any credit, whatsoever, to Ward.

    Perhaps, most obvious of all, is that you, along with several other hardcore Kovlev fans, keep using terminology, which would have anyone who hadn't watched the fight believe that the bout was stopped due to a low blow. But to make such a claim is patent nonsense.

    As, any 'neutral' observer would have pointed out, Kovalev looked like he'd reached the end. At the time of the stoppage, he wasn't defending himself in any realistic way. He was rooted to the spot, against the ropes and pitching over. The beginning of his pitching over was caused by the first of a series of three body shots. The last of which is questionable. But, he was done before that punch.
     
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  7. Earfquake

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    Nice effort. But stop wasting your time. Most of these guys will never accept the results. They still cant believe Ward beat the dog out of Kovalev.
     
  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Man Machine? Saw Kraftwerk last night

    Will look at your post and come back to you later
     
  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Im not for either fighter. I dont care who won and was looking forward to the rematch
     
  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Neutral in that I didnt care who won or lost
    That was just my opinion of the first fight and many others felt Kovalev had won also

    Read again what was written and how. I noted the jab because after wrote
    As in the thought that Ward had worked the jab out due to doing better in the second half of the fight to the first half.
    I didnt go on about Ward being wobbled or put down or outlanded, just noted the jab as many would agree the jab is what piled up points for Sergei and what many thought had been worked out
    When did he do it without a cause? Also, if there are low blows landed, a fighter is going to try and highlight the issue to get the ref to stop allowing it to happen or to make him notice what he feels is wrong.
    Do you think if Ward was being hit as low as often that he wouldnt note it? Ward mentioned to the ref about Kovalevs head when he didnt come off better when heads came together in the second round

    So you havent mentioned where I have said on here about Wards big punch in the final round that had Kovalev giving ground


    What??? What was the reason for the fight being stopped then? There were 3 punches where the first 2 looked low and the 3rd was low. The fight was still in motion. The fight was stopped due to Kovalev bending over from the final low blow and just waved off.
    Do you need me to show you the finish again?



    But that wasnt the case at all and you would know if you have watched the fight.
    Ward landed a big punch that hurt Kovalev and had him back off, but Kovalev was still throwing back abnd Ward wasnt able to land a real big follow up to the head as Kovalev slipped many ofn the shots, then the 3 punches went in where I think from what I saw looked debatable.
    If for some reason, say Kovalev landed a low blow at the end of round 2 of the first Ward/Kovalev fight, and the ref just waved it off, would you be of the same opinion, because I would say from the first fight, Ward looked every bit as troubled only was given a count which Kovalev wasnt even though he hadnt gone down at that point and bent over from a low blow.

    A neutral can see that
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    How is a low blows beating the dog out of someone? Maybe in a no rules fight but not under the Queensbury rules
     
  12. Earfquake

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    Give us a break guy. Even Golovkin said Ward fought brilliantly. Every major guy in the fight game agreed. Dan Rafael, Lampley, Hearn, Hopkins etc. The list goes on. Yet here you are still in denial. Oh well.
     
  13. Eastpaw

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    Lol most of those same guys you listed were the main ones saying Ward lost the first fight...
     
  14. Earfquake

    Earfquake Member banned Full Member

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    Both fights were supposed to end in savage KO's according to Kovalev "fans". The first fight was a close fight with a close decision. 3 different judges from 3 different vantage points saw it for Ward. They werent all scoring from press row.

    The first fight is moot. Boxing media and fighters, trainers, promoters etc. have all stood by what happened. And yet you guys are still in major denial.

    I must have missed the part of this thread title where it said "Ward/Kovlaev 1"