James J Jeffries vs Anthony Joshua

richdanahuff · Jun 25, 2017

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richdanahuff, post:

Here's my answer to your question and examples

Bowe was not in very good shape in that fight his best weight was 225-230 however Holyfield was an anomaly a super tough driven man with great skill and will power who used a professional trainer and modern techniques to put on quality weight to be able to deal with Bowes size and strength.

The rest of the fights were two big men though one was slightly bigger but where one got blitzed the size differential becomes negligible at a certain point hence the reason for the heavyweight class but keep in mind their has been discussion many times to create a Superheavyweight division due to the sheer size of the current crop the 6'3" guys are barely able to compete anymore. The 6'6" relatively unskilled heavyweights were what we had before the Klits era Lewis and Bowe started it but now we are seeing training methods and results where 6'6" men are much better in using their size like athletes and hence more dangerous to the 220lb heavyweight.

I was a fan of what Jeffries was for his time the biggest baddest boxer around and I had similar thoughts on Liston coming from the Marciano/Patterson era as a 215 big man but Liston did fight bigger men and proved his power and durability with larger men before that he did what a quality big man was supposed to do in the previous era he overpowered most everyone. Here is the issue I have with the fights you pointed out

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#1 Jeffries was 220+ lbs in an era where he was the biggest and baddest around he had the advantage over every opponent

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#2 he was always the bigger man to a fault fighting guys the size of modern dehydrated middleweights and Lt heavyweights while he the size of a modern heavyweight

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#3 he went way too many rounds with much smaller men to qualify as a power puncher....he was a grinder who used his size and strength to wear men down

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#4 It is no shame for a smaller faster hard hitting man to mark and cut a big man up but the big man not being able to blow out the small man in the early rounds is not a good sign of power.

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I cannot see Jeffries a man who struggled to beat up Corbett, Sharkey, or Fitz having the power to bother AJ or better yet if Fitz hurt him what would AJ's punches do to him?? Jeffries durability was not tested against a good big strong powerful man and as powerful as Fitz and Sharkey were they were not modern sized heavyweights and lets face hit Cauliflower ears like Sharkeys is not a sign of good defense and we know he could be KO'd just not by Jeffries another sign of questionable power. He had an iron chin and big power for the late 1890's til retirement in 05 but it does not translate into ATG Fitz power does he was a David taking on Goliaths.

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richdanahuff · Jun 25, 2017

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Issue is AJ is a nothing at this point in his career. We do not know if he will fall flat as did Kovalev recently..... another fighter all the newbies were thinking could beat Marciano and Dempsey! Yet some want to lift AJ up to an ATG fighter level. He is not and it will be many years before he could ever be mentioned in the same breath as Jim Jeffries.
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mcvey · Jun 25, 2017

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I'd say Fury is the last lineal.

richdanahuff · Jun 25, 2017

mcvey said: ↑

I'd say Fury is the last lineal.
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