Wilder and Joshua Are Both Flawed

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  1. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Some of you guys go on and on about Wilders flaws and act like Joshua is well schooled. Joshua is stiff as hell, has a vulnerable chin and almost lost to a 41 year old man. Sure he gets credit for beating 41 year old Wlad, but Wlad was still 41. And Wilder can be hit with jabs and outboxed at times. Both have shown the will to win in tough situations.

    Joshua isn't a finished product. He holds his lands low (chest level) and brings them up to cover up. He can be fainted. He was hurt badly by Whyte. He was wobbled by Whyte by a left hook after smiling at him and then hurt to the body. Being hurt by body shots is why Wilder has a real chance to ko Joshua. Joshua has flaws and he can be hurt. He does have fast hands and he's a good combination puncher. But he's wide open for the right hand. Wlad was just too old to continue to throw it. Imagine if Wilder lands his right hand.

    Wilder isn't a finished product either. Wilder is still learning to throw hooks. He throws them but they lack power. He has stopped throwing his jab consistently and he stoops down to a shorter fighters level at times and takes away his own reach advantage away. For a guy who started late he's coming along, but he still has a long way to go. I want to see what happens when Joshua gets there first with a big shot.

    In a nutshell I want to see what happens when Joshua lands his hook/uppercut or uppercut/hook. Joshua has a good right hand but it's his weakest punch out of his arsenal imo. It's still a hard punch.

    I want to see what happens when Wilder lands his right hand on Joshua. Will Wilder look to land the jab consistently? His jab might land better on a guy more his size.

    Both guys have amazing ko records. Both guys have flaws. Both are prime. Make the fight. It'll start the process of unifying and creating a lineal hvw champion.
     
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  2. Dfaulds

    Dfaulds Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lol Wilder started boxing before Joshua and Joshua has a much stronger record...is a much more complete fighter and holds more trinkets...

    Olympic Gold > Olympic Bronze

    WBA and IBF (+IBO) > WBC

    Boxrec/TBRB#1 > Boxrec/TBRB#4

    Joshua is also a bigger draw and Wilder is known for fighting bums...

    Deal with it hater.
     
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  3. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    To be fair to Wilder, Joshua didnt deserve his olympic gold.
     
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  4. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Whether you like it or not joshua vs wilder is a 50/50 fight. The one making the worst mistake first (since they both make mistakes nonstop) loses.

    It's kind of funny how AJ's fans laugh at wilder's skills. Guys, your fighter is not better. They both are there because they weight 20934853049857 tons and are 837462593847 meters tall, that's the only reason. They bot are average, very average, boxers with insane power. Take away the power from them, and they both are absolutely nothing.
     
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  5. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    "Both guys have amazing records" ????

    Lmmfao

    Way to try to slip that in at the end you trickster that can't handle AJ's success when compared to Wilder.

    Just admit that AJ has been more impressive than Wilder and be done with your squirming on the issue.

    Also, its not wrong that you like Wilder better, its just comical when you try to claim you like them both the same.
     
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  6. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Hearn is not gonna make the fight now, he's a promoter and a very good one at that.
    When he thinks AJ-Wilder he thinks PPV buys and right now Wilder aint nobody, but if Wilder could knock out Bellew or Whyte in UK then it would help the promotion tremendously.

    Basically if Wilder wants to get PAID he needs to buy into Hearn's plan.
     
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  7. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wilder doesn't need Bellew or Whyte. All he has to do is keep on winning. That's all both have to do is keep winning.
     
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  8. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    Wilder isn't capable of looking at the bigger picture. He lives in the moment. Which explains why he has a "fleet" of vehicles.
     
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  9. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    Well that should be easy for Wilder to keep winning as he doesn't face any of the top guys. Lmao

    Way to self destruct again Blizzy.
     
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  10. vnyc

    vnyc Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Normally I don't agree with you, but I agree with everything in this post
     
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  11. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Idk about both have amazing records as the list of opponents is very shady for Wilder. I would like to see Wilder fight anyone close to the skill level of Wlad
     
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  12. Bax183

    Bax183 Member Full Member

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    I also think he's right. Both fighters do have flaws and are not finished products. They also both have major strengths and it would definitely be an intriguing fight. One that I hope gets made.

    If it gets made, I'm pretty certain that there will be a rematch, no matter who wins.
     
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  13. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Whyte fight makes sense. Let UK fans see Wilder against an AJ opponent over here get the hype going between them(AJ WILDER that is). No better fight for Wilder if he wants Joshua...The moneys over here for this fight
     
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  14. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Wilder's happy to continue fighting the Szpilka's and Arreola's of the world in Alabama.

    He has NEVER shown any interest in fighting the top guys. This latest trend of calling out Joshua is all talk.
     
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  15. Bax183

    Bax183 Member Full Member

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    I think the Whyte fight makes sense. I think Wilder would get the win and that will build up the fight hype with Joshua, with Wilder making some good money in the process.

    I don't think Wilder should take a fight with Bellew, no matter how much money is on the table, because it won't get him much respect - if any. Even if Wilder stops Bellew early all most people would say is, "he's only stopped a cruiserweight/easy work", etc.
     
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