Modern Day Super-Heavys that defeat Holmes of 1978 ?

I agree.

The dependence on size among super heavyweights means that reach is a very much a more important factor. Often when size cannot make the difference it boils down to who has the longest arms. well Larry had long enough arms for any fighter to wish to have. So when it comes down to that factor, at the most base and primitive level Larry already measures up. Throw out that ace in the sleeve.

Put that together with an excellent long range game and a high punch output ratio, foot placement, punch selection and I really cannot think what the biggest guys can do against Larry.

The way Bruno outboxed Lennox Lewis makes me think how well Larry would do against him, and that's the SHW goat isn't it?

For those that say Lewis was better Under Manny Steward, well I can still remember how the pace of a much lighter Mavrovic really unsettled Lennox. I don't think it takes much imagination to replace Mavrovic that night with Larry Holmes and envision that scenario.

This is not to say Lennox Lewis is not great and would not trouble Larry at all. I think Lennox still represents a greater challenge than any fighter Larry fought, it's just that when you look at all the attributes and capabilities of both there really isn't anything on its own that outranks Larry.

To make size count you have to really draw the smaller man into a physical fight. But that's hard to do if the lighter man boxes tall and long and has a greater work rate.

Larry is a match for range, he's more than a match for durability plus Larry has a huge edge in pace and fluency.

 

I don't remember him going life n death with Shavers. Those fights were shuts outs minus a knockdown

 

Actually he was an excellent inside fighter.Could throw the uppercut from long range, as weaver found out.Good combination puncher, excellent left jab, excellent 1-2. i take your point that he was not a left hook artist but that its about it.

 

His jab was sharper and more powerful than wlad's

 

It was not more powerful... and it was not more versatile. Wlad used his jab as a change up, so speed and sharpness varied.

 

When he was knocked down it was a life and death situation. He was probably a clean punch from being gone.

 

Wlad is just too tentative in the ring always worried about that one blow he knows he can't take. His tentativeness allows Holmes to outjab him in bunches especially at angles. As typical with Larry once he gets that jab going his right won't be long for Wlad very vulnerable chin. This would be a beat down over 5-7 rounds before a right hand forces the ref to stop a one sided fight. Holmes KO 7.

 

so why didnt it happen if it was that clearcut?

 

What sort of a silly question is that?

 

ITS YOU who seems to think it was a edge away from happenning.

The ONUS is on YOU to explain why it didnt, because it didnt.

Certainly dont ask me to support YOUR view.

 

The onus isn't on me to do sweet fa. The situation is obvious on film to me. If you disagree so be it.

 

you've claimed holmes was on the edge of being sparked when he was floored, an almost sure thing to be lights out.

So why wasnt he on each occasion if you tihnk it was such a surefire thing? 2nd time I've asked you.

defend your point of view with evidence of holmes getting ktfo in similar situations. Or admit that you cant defend your position. Or just pretend it isnt happening, i gues thats an option too.

 

What i said was "He was probably a clean punch from being gone." Dramatise it all you want but i personally believe this to be the case and you are most welcome to differ.

Wtf? Who is talking on each occasion? I am talking this specific round of this specific fight.

I don't need to defend sweet fa. Second time i've told you. No situation is ever the same. It's on film people can make their own opinion on it.

 

ok I just want you to add substance to your view with evidence.

if you choose not to defend your view, then it remains unbased.

 

I watched both fights live. Boring, one sided, affairs aside from one right hand by Shavers. I don't think he won any other round. In reality Holmes being decked by that Herculean right from one of its all time punchers, getting up and winning ADDS to his ATG credentials.