Would a prime, undefeated cooney have stopped the Liston of Miami?

Cooney was an inflated fighter feasting off the elders from the previous generation. He is not beating Sonny Liston especially just having a hook.

Nothing of the Miami bout with Ali was not legit. Ali the young and quick boxer outboxed the puncher. Has happened many times all through boxing history. Cooney however was not Ali. Gerry had nothing to keep from getting hit and he could not take what Sonny had to offer.

 

So did you miss all those left hooks Williams hit him with? Are you saying boxers who mainly relied on one hand wont land on others?you are aware he knocked Norton out with a right hand anyway RIGHT?

 

What happened when they landed, did Liston go anywhere?

 

He would if Cooney decked him!You may want to look up both stats of height and reach again.In the rematch liston is clearly rocked by a left hook....

Other than that did Liston go anywhere? IDK i think after the fight he went to the movies and maybe a little womanizing?

 

Galv is another LOST poster. Cooney beat the scrap heap of old and worn 70's hwts. His managements plan was not to feed Gerry any live competition, fill out his record, and cash out in a big money fight with Holmes. Cooney had a left hook and no right hand. Once Cooney shat himself during the introductions Liston would devastate him. Fight would not last two rounds. Cooney could not fight backing up and Liston would have him in full bore retreat immediately.

 

Well the likes of Tyson and Frazier would have no hope then, dang

 

The only hope for you is to JUMP...lol

 

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If someone even bothers to buy into the Cooney right hand thing, the fact is the right hand by the other guy is superior. As is the jab.

The bigger problem for Cooney is his defense. He tries to parry punches and he's poor at it. Wrong opponent to be out there swatting flies away. And leaning in with zero head movement certainly does not help his cause any.

 

What about Listons LUNGING off balance power shots open to really ANY punch..Liston relied on size bc he was crude...strong?YEA ...so what? Cooneys left is much better than any punch by Liston and he worked the body too...go watch some williams footage....

 

Cooney's left is all he had. The toolchest is massively under developed. And he telegraphs the punch, and his intentions, if you watch him closely. Not exactly a speedy punch either & he never had the ability to hook off the jab. Just a slightly better version of a guy like Ruddock. Perhaps.

Liston has far more tools at his disposal. And much better footwork and much better defense. And we're talking Liston here who is hardly a twinkletoes in there. So Gerry has to solve the guy. What myself and others in the thread think is Gerry's defense does not allow him to have the time to solve Sonny. And he won't last long when hit. And even worse, Cooney leans in. Throw a punch at 12:00 and it lands. All he does defensively is try to swat it away. While only walking forward of course.

The Tyson camp would have been drooling over this guy as an opponent if he could have managed to get by Spinks. That was the hope back in the day and that defense is not working whatsoever against Tyson. Speaking of Spinks--the slowest of starters--how did Gentleman Gerry's defense look against that guy? Did Michael miss a punch in the 5th round?

Fights and boxing encompass a lot more than who hits the hardest. And if we use the punching bag as a barometer between the two, Liston and his left hook to the punching bag was the better of the two.

 

Rich shows his lack of any understanding of boxing with every post. Cooney was a hooker. No right hand. If you knew the sport of boxing, and you don't, you would know what those phrases meant.

Cooney was a boxer with very limited capabilities. Certainly a powerful left hook but aside from this not much to offer. The idea of putting such a limited hwt in the ring with Sonny Liston is a joke. First solid blow by Liston ends the fight.

 

Liston all day. He was to accurate and Cooneys defence was never great

 

Cooney would be utterly destroyed.
Even the old Liston who fought Leotis Martin and Chuck Wepner would hammer a win out against Cooney, who just wasn't very durable at all.