Pacquiao is officially shot - Or he had a very bad night.

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  1. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Big controversy around it, but he should have never let it get that close in the first place. Few things contributed to the loss:

    1) Pac looked a hell of a lot slower.
    2) He looked lethargic and didn't have the same snap or power in his punches.
    3) Horn was fighting dirty, in with the butts and grabbing, putting his weight on Pac and smothering him so he can't throw his combos and come around at an angle.
    4) Pac has seriously lost stamina, he barely threw any punches and he looked tired by the 6th and didn't have enough energy by the 7th, recall this guy who looked like he could go another 12 after the wars with JMM, MAB or how he went all out with Morales down to the wire. Even 2-3 years ago he would have stopped Horn.
    5) Jeff is a much better fighter than everyone thought, I think he's one of those guys who doesn't look much when you watch him but gets the job done when he's in there. Kinda like a Maidana.

    That said, Pac is most definitely shot, or he just had a very bad night. We all have those days when sometimes we can run 5 miles and feel good, and other times we can't even feel like going 1 mile on the same week.

    What I think will happen? He will rematch Horn and beat him easily by points, maybe even stoppage if he catches him right as he nearly had him in the 9th. Then Bob is gonna pit him up against the likes of Crawford, get beat and he's gonna carry on taking money fights.

    He had enough to beat Horn tonight, and will beat him easier in the rematch, but I think for the first time in his career despite all his previous losses, this time he's finally done. I don't think it happened over night, it slowly crept up on him. Compare this fight back to back with his fight with Cotto. There is a huge downward trend on the volume of punches he throws as he aged, round 9 shouldn't have gassed him as much as it did.

    In many ways this reminds me of RJJ-Glen Johnson. RJJ wasn't prime, but people weren't sure if he was really done either, tpart-timet time boxer, construction worker beats him. Then we really knew he was done.
     
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  2. sponge

    sponge Active Member Full Member

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    Shot or not there is nothing we can do on the official results.

    At least we can whine.
     
  3. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Or maybe possibly Horn is just a really good disciplined tough as nails fighter?
     
  4. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    Shot maybe.But he was sloppy,slower and misses like can't pull the trigger.Many times he let Horn tee off on him and PAC had no answer.When he did try to fire back he loss his balance and ended up getting head locked or head butted.
     
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  5. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I haven't watched it yet but I trust your comments on here, most of you are educated boxing fans.

    Anyway I really dislike Amir Khan but is it now too much of a stretch to think Khan would have beat Pacquaio last night?

    There was plenty of talk about Pac/Khan and most people (myself included) had Pacquiao knocking him out but it sounds like Pacquaio has aged terribly.

    I think Khan will be all over a Horn fight now, I'll be surprised if he hasn't already been on Twitter calling him out, so he can claim to be the man who beat the man who beat Pacquaio.
     
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  6. shanemfr

    shanemfr Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe Horn isn't as **** as everyone thought he is. Bradley was telling it how it was until after the fight when the rest of the ESPN crew were screaming at him to change how he should think.
     
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  7. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    Pac has been fading for years.... This isn't anything new. No fighter with his style will remain elite into their late 30s. Look at what happened to RJJ. Athletic fighters who rely on fast reflexes, movement and timing always fade quicker.
     
  8. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Horn is bad as F. Pac threw ZERO punches. You cant win if you dont throw, that's impossible. The only round pacman threw something horn was about to be knocked the F out in less than 30 seconds from the very moment pac started throwing.

    Horn's boxing IQ is negative, as well as his speed and skills. His toughness/chin is average to bad (the very moment pac touches him, he was wobbling around) Has he power? not enought ot knock down pac.

    Plus, the referee was annoying as F, I hated the referee. Not saying he was important in the fight, just saying that he was annoying me the whole F fight.

    Well deserved victory from Horn. And Pac deserved to lose. As I said you cant win if you do nothing.

    Congratz to horn.

    EDIT: lot's of people have lost tons of money tonight. Maybe pac had a torn rotator nail. Hurry up! let's look for some salt watter before it gets worse!!
     
  9. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Pac has been gone since 2011 - Pac in his absolute prime was at 122/126.
    He was past prime 2011-2012.
    Semi shot from 2012-2016 (the degree of this increasing over time).
    Shot from 2017.
    According to resume, he's 5-4 in his last 9 fights.

    BUT Horn is definitely a good fighter!
     
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  10. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your main points are well put. Though Horn smothering Pac to prevent him from getting angles to land is most important. Really unsettled Pac, and Pac fought Horn's fight and couldn't adapt. If you say Manny is slower, doesn't have the snap he used to, and has lost stamina, how can you like him to improve at his age in a rematch? In a rematch Horn will be more confident, and knows what he has to stick to to do well.
     
  11. liger1992

    liger1992 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Remember when Roach said pacquio looked awful sparring. The reality is manny is finished and fighting on his just playing himself.

    His now that guy that can be used to put younger fighters over.
     
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  12. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Pac is done and has been for a while, hell if you want proof then Floyd fought him that says it all.
     
  13. Zulawski

    Zulawski The Fistic Pariah Full Member

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    Where are all those people who had Pac on their P4P lists calling him the best welterweight in the sport?
     
  14. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    I wonder how long it will be before we hear Pac fans start accusing Horn of being on PED's.
     
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  15. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    Or 10-8 round when no one get knocked down... Oh wait...