Modern Day Super-Heavys that defeat Holmes of 1978 ?

yup.

so what? 1980 Larry schools an unbeaten 6'5 WBC #2 rated heavyweight (who won the New York golden gloves twice) and in 1976 Larry beats another 6'5" rated heavyweight contender ....but this rules Holmes out of beating a SHW in 1978????

please. Embarrass yourself, why not? All it will show is Larry saying whatever suits his own argument.

So putting that to one side, Film shows Larry did not need to be heavier than he was to school genuine rated Super heavyweight sized contenders who would be relevant today.

yes. I was a senior amateur heavyweight boxer. Not a good one, but So what?

Of course. Rules and equipment changes determine the types of fighters required to excel at a particular time frame. I can guarantee Larry excelled against Superheavyweights who would be a real force today and Jones and tiger Williams would be more of a threat to the championship today than they were in their own timeframe.

please. Let's hear something close to an answer.

Oh right, your informed technical answer as to how Larry Holmes schooled decent super heavyweights in 1976 and 1980 (who would likely both be serious threats to the title today) is that:

#1, it does not count because 1976 and 1980 represents two years either side of 1978 and cannot possibly mean Larry could duplicate this between these dates.

#2 that you have studied so many other unrelated fights that you don't even need to watch Holmes vs Jones...

 

Then why did they dominate heavyweight boxing from 2000-2015?

If you look at who is doing well in the major super heavyweight or heavyweight amateur tournaments such as the Olympics or World Amateur boxing today, they mostly seem to be from Europe, or an X Soviet bloc nation. So bet your boots the same group will produce more future champions.

If fighters from many former communists nations were allowed to turn professional or had boxing more gyms decades ago, the entire history of the sport would change.

The last great USA heavyweight was Roddick Bowe, and he turned pro a long time ago....

Wilder if he fights anyone in the top five will lose.

 

There is no doubt European hwt have been dominating. That's not the point. The skill level of these hwts are horrid. The same straight up European amateur style from the 70's that US fighters feasted upon. They dominate because US boxing has been in the doldrums to say the least. No one at hwt has a decent skill set.

 

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Comparing a featherfisted non-entity like Leroy Jones to the best of the post modern superheavies truly stretches the limits of credulity. It's a slightly updated take on the Ed Dunkhorst argument.

 

Oh, it's your vaunted Eye Test which is the proof. Why didn't you say so at first? Thread over.

 

Jones landed a good right hand in round three. He was game. He could fight. Had fast hands, Used his size and knew what he was doing.

I see no reason why Jones would not be seen as a serious contender today.

 

Behold irony.

 

What do you mean post modern?

Jones was everything that is hot right now. He had the Amateur pedigree, the U.S national coach even quit Amatuer boxing to groom jones into a pro champion. I guess the sport just was not ready for super heavyweights back then.

Jones was born too early. You would love the guy today. He would look so much better against guys his own size.

 

The best yank HWs during the Klitschko era were -
Byrd
Chambers
Chris Arroela

Brewster would probably beat all of them so isn't it funny that he was the guy who battered Klitschho in only 5 rounds so you can easily say that Wlad wasn't good enough to beat the best of a bad bunch.

Then when the talent got better and he was faced against a throw -back fighter who could box n move , we all saw him get stripped bare down to his jock strap.

 

With all due respect to his amateur career, Jones was a perpetually out of shape softie who couldn't crack an egg. The only "name" in his win column was a Mike Weaver who was still scrambling for an identity and who had been beaten by guys like Stan Ward and Bobick.

Trying to use Jones as a measuring stick for greats like Lennox or Wlad or even Vitali just exposes the paucity of the argument here.

Holmes was skilled, reasonably talented and VERY tough. He would hang with all these guys. I would not bet that he would beat any of them.

 

It wasn't just Weaver, Jones beat Larry Frazier and Dino Denis too. He also won the USBA belt and was on track for better things. Too bad he came up against Holmes.

Just think, If jones was around now we might never have heard of Charles Martin.

 

Holmes was far more skilled than the very large ponderous hwts the past ten or so years. Really not debatable.