Mike Tyson "weak" opposition

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  1. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson's opposition, while not incredible, was certainly respectable. Far superior to any Heavyweight Champ since Lennox Lewis. And superior to a number of champions in previous decades. Only Ali has a resume that truly puts Tyson's to shame.
     
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  3. Wass1985

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    Only Ali, and Holyfield, and Frazier, and Foreman, and Jimmy Young......
     
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  4. superman1986

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    We both know that a strong wind would have had Foreman ready to go. And speaking of Holyfield, I think his power is underrated. Not a devastating puncher but a solid puncher, on a bad night I'd give his power a 6.5-7 on a good night i'd rate him a strong 7.5-8/10. But you forget he had Foreman stumbling around the ring like a drunk by the end of round 3. And had him ready to go down from a 17 punch combination in round 7 and buckled his knees with a single counter right hand. While giving away nearly 50 pounds. Lyle had Foreman down as early as round 4 from single shots and staggered him before that.

    Holyfield mixed in headbutts in between his punches and benefitted from Tyson's reduced stamina. Tyson was 30 vs Holyfield and 36 vs Lewis and into drinking, drugging and partying and just got out of prison. Foreman was 25 years old, the reigning champion and clean living vs Ali and Tyson lasted 11 rounds vs Holyfield, 8 rounds vs Lewis and stamina was arguably a factor in those stoppages. If you're going to give Foreman the benefit of the doubt for being stopped by Ali due to stamina and being floored by light punching Jimmy Young due to stamina, you have to give Tyson the same benefit of the doubt to be fair.

    Especially since we know for certain Lennox Lewis >>>>> Muhammad Ali in punching power and I'm of the strong opinion that Holyfield hit harder and could have floored a 220 pound Foreman rather than the nearly 260 pound, more solid version he fought. And Patterson likely would've visited the canvas had he fought even the cruiserweight version of Holyfield.
     
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  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh yes.
     
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    My point was that if you switched any heavyweight champion with Tyson, you couldn't name 1 who'd have an easy time or even perhaps look more devastating vs the same opponents. And I wish Witherspoon got the title shot rather than Smith. Saying that they were weak opposition would imply that other champions would have walked right through them and looked as devastating if not more.
     
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  7. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Compared to every other heavyweight not named Ali, it's pretty damn solid. Maybe Holyfield is better too. And that's it. Lennox and Mike are comparable: Lennox having the power hitters and Mike having the more skilled boxers.
     
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  8. Wass1985

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    He had him ready to go but couldn't whereas feather fisted Ali dropped Foreman like a whores drawers, don't tell me..... Ali's punching power that night in Zaire was 10.5.......

    I see how you funnily ignore my earlier point of Holyfield hurting Tyson in the 2nd round of their first fight.
     
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  9. Wass1985

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    Yes you could, I could name at least 10 that wouldn't be left crawling on the canvas like a baby after going 10 rounds with the legendary Buster Douglas.
     
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  10. Wass1985

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    So he likely broke it in sparring and it went again in the fight, just goes to show how hindered he was that evening doesn't it SON?
     
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  11. Bokaj

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    Maybe, maybe not. That calls for speculation, but he did dominate what was out there until he ran into Douglas. He had one of the great runs 1986-1990 and deserves credit for that.
     
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  12. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Yeah I wish Spoon didn't lose his only chance at Tyson. The outcome would've been similar to the Pink Thomas fight in my opinion.
     
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  13. choklab

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    If you lined up the guys 20 year old Tyson got from 1986-1990 in the same order and put 27 year old Larry Holmes in his place Larry smokes all of the same guys in that order only he would have beat Douglas. Same with Dempsey, Marciano, joe Frazier, Lennox Lewis, jack Johnson and of course joe Louis and Muhammad Ali. Foreman, holyfeild and Liston might be in with a shout too.

    At the end of the day, the names Tyson beat were good but only about five of them were live. It's still great. He's still a great fighter but this needs to be acknowledged.
     
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  14. Wass1985

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    Your opinion is about as realistic as rocking horse sh1t.......
     
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