Do you consider James J Jeffries an ATG?

Your point is not true ... if you read the actual accounts of the first Corbett fight he was fading badly for many rounds and his lead to insurmountable ... it is a myth that he won nearly every round convincingly before being caught despite the fact he did put on an amazing performance. The second Fitz fight was very tough and give and take but let's face it, Jeffries flattened him earlier than the first time.

Jeffries was great for his time but how great is unknown. If he fought a very talented Jack Johnson in 1906 and defeated him or gave a far greater accountant than he did in Reno we'd know a bit more. For all we know George Chuvalo may have been as dominant at that time in those exact match ups.

 

The Pollack biography reconstructs this fight from multiple ringside accounts.

The salient points are thus:

Jeffries initially tried to bow with Corbett, and Corbett won most or all of the first fifteen rounds.

Seeing the fight slipping away, Jeffries manager Brady pulled trainer Tommy Ryan from the ring, and instructed Jeffries to switch tactics.

Jeffries started taking the fight to Corbett more, and won most or all of rounds 15-23.

While Jeffries probably did need a knockout to win, it was as one sided as Corbett later claimed.

 

How predictable, an uneducated loudmouth. You clearly not only don't know a thing about the topic but are primitive enough to think spewing stupidity makes up for it. Go do your homework.

 

I find your argument specious and unconvincing.Childs was ranked for 3 years of Jeffries reign, he wa also the Coloured heavyweight champion.Jeffries would have had to know all about him.At 5'9.5" Childs was an inch and a half taller than Sharkey.

 

And the writers and commentators could be inconsistent too. As Champion Jeffries fought Hank Griffin who was black. His lineal title was on the line if he lost. He floored Griffin, several times in a four round match.

As mentioned Martin was way too young in 1899 ( 17 years old ) and out of the picture as early as 1903 ( age 21 ) with multiple KO losses.

McVey a young teenager with few fights who by the time Jeffries meet Munroe in his final fight was just 20.

Johnson had multiple losses and draws from 1899-1905, probably was worthy of a title shot from 1903-1904, but it would have taken a big purse and back then to quote Jeffries he didn't draw flies.

Had Johnson beaten Hart convincingly and a large purse been there for Jeffries, we might have seen a 1905-1906 Jeffries vs. Johnson fight, and Jeffries likely wins it.

I say this because Jeffries himself said he considered Johnson a possible title opponent after he defeated Munroe.

In Jeffries mind, Johnson was quickly capped by Choynski, lost to Hart, lost to Hank Griffin, a fighter Jeffries bounced around in 1901, and took a shopworn Pete Everett the distance. Everett was fighter Jeffries easily stopped in three rounds when he was 22-3 with no stoppage losses.

 

The underlined is flat out bull sh*t . I posted Jeffries reaction to a suggested title defence between himself and Johnson.

 

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This gives all the punches landed and a resume of the fight.

 

did you actually read through your three newspapers and total the rounds.

The second one didn't actually call most of the rounds.

The Daily True American did. For two rounds they did not give an opinion. On the other 20, they gave Corbett 8 rounds, Jeffries 7, and called 5 even. Jeff came on strong late. Off this scoring he could have won on a rounds basis, but this also overlooks the knockdowns.

The New York Times didn't call all rounds either, but I think had 9 Corbett to 7 Jeffries on the ones they did call. Again it seems Jeff was within striking distance of winning a decision on a pure rounds basis, but he was the only one scoring knockdowns.

These newspapers don't actually back up your one-sided fight claim.

 

Dago, why not score it the way the paper saw it on the above link. It was a close fight tilting Jeffries was before the final 10 count KO in round 23.

Corbett is not a truthful fighter in defeat, he's an excuse oriented hot head, who thought Fitz KO over him was a fluke and could not accept the loss without making a stink about it.

He said he was up 22-0 vs Jeffries, a fabrication. Complete BS.

 

No, they don't! Its a little funny for a poster to say one thing, and the news papers he posts to say something else.

It seems like educating those with either bias or those who don't want to learn is an issue with a few posters here.

If Dago comes back and says my bad or I did not realize it, I'll change my opinion on him.

 

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