Juan Manuel Marquez Vs. Jeff Horn: Who Wins And How?!

Them, coupled with Casamayor who you haven't mentioned for some reason, were stronger champions/contenders than David Diaz.

In any case, Marquez ducked no one.

You have no evidence because what you're saying isn't true.

How did he handpick softies at 135 when he fought the 3 best Lightweights-Casamayor, Diaz, and later his mandatory Katsidis? You must be thinking of Pac who fought the weakest title holder among them in David Diaz.

He basically skipped 140 to fight Floyd and Manny and Bradley. So who was he ducking when those were the 3 best welterweights at the time?

His resume lacks big names on it? He has two ATG's on it. Barrera and Pacquiao. Then HOFer Casamayor and possible Hall of Famer Orlando Salido. lol @ the lucky punch excuse, they had an epic rivalry that he won with a perfectly timed counter. This is boxing, punching is the objective. He had Pacquiao on the floor dead. I can see now that irks you which is why you're bringing up this nonsense about JMM ducking fighters then being unable to name anybody he ducked.

 

he had guys to fight and he didn't fight them. Even Zab Judah. he never took a chance. Cotto? I mean he had guys to fight and he picked Katsidis. Diaz.. I know Zab was at 140 and 147, but ok he fought there also and never did he push the guys who could beat him. Always the mediocre guys. And you know it. You have to..

 

He never took a chance?!

Fighting undefeated champion Chris John in Indonesia isn't taking a chance?
Chasing ATG Pac to Lightweight and cleaning it out isn't taking a chance?
Fighting ATG Barrerra isn't taking a chance?
Fighting Pacquiao 4 times, twice at Pac's preferred class at welterweight isn't taking a chance?
Moving up 2 weightclasses to fight Floyd isn't taking a chance?

Zab Judah lmao. Instead of fighting Judah he was fighting guys at welterweight that would smoke Judah. While JMM was knocking Pacquiao out cold Judah was losing to Paulie Malignaggi ffs.

Utter BS. You have no argument.

 

He didn't take that chance. Fighting Manny 4 times when he had a good style matchup with him. Sort of like Hearns vs. Barkley. JMM being Barkley and Manny being Hearns.

 

So Barkley didn't take a chance fighting Hearns in a rematch because he beat him...You think it's not a risk to fight an ATG just because they match up well? I guess half the ATG's in history never took a risk because they had the style to beat the greats they did. Stupid ass logic.

I like how you also ignored every other example I gave. Just straight up pretended they didn't exist lmao

You've presented no argument, you have none, just shut up already. JMM never ducked anyone and after pages of nonsense you haven't made any credible accusation. Give it up.

 

Marquez one of my favorite fighter but times in not in his corner he could get hurt fighting the young Lions.

 

Marquez too old now 5 yrs ago version takes Horn apeart

 

JMM was more the BArkley and the Norton to Manny,, Barkley to Hearns. Norton to Ali. yes all fighters have that bad style matchup. and I give Manny and Hearns credit for rematching knowing this.

 

Except those guys didn't beat more than one ATG and typically no other HOF caliber fighters. So, again your comparisons utterly fail.

Marquez is an undisputed ATG. Norton and Barkley are not.

I'm glad you're no longer trying to prove that JMM ducked anyone because you were terrible at it.

 

you know as I do that is resume is limited in many aspects. Compared to a real great Manny. If you look at Barkley's resume, you can almost say he fought as many greats or hall of fame guys as JMM did. Duran and Hearns, Toney, Benn,Nunn etc etc etc. how many champions did he fight? Still their claim to fame was Hearns and Manny.

 

Marquez is not undisputed all time great. he is HOF caliber, but not ATG.. You cannot say that. It does not sound right.

 

Stop saying "you know" and then not making an argument. Just admit you have no proof.

JMM ducking has nothing to do with whether he compares to top 10 ATG's like Duran and Leonard. He's an ATG off of beating two ATG's, a few hall of famers, and many champions. If you want an exact number Marquez has had 18 title fights. His resume shits all over Barkley, Norton, whoever else you're trying to compare him to who only has 1 famed opponent in their win column.

Make a poll on any boxing forum and see what you come up with. Marquez is indisputably in the top 100. He's in the running for one of the greatest Mexican fighters of all time. Most rank him above Barrera and Morales who are also indisputable ATG's. This is nonsense.

 

Denial must be a mutha fukka to overcome. lol

 

Duran is an all timer? Leonard is but Duran is not. Duran never beat elites.