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Anybody crying robbery for Horn/Pacquaio needs to re-evaluate their eyes.

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MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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The Aussie boxing commission are a bunch of flaming dingo's.

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MidniteProwler said: ↑

The Aussie boxing commission are a bunch of flaming dingo's.
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I don't know but lol

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Crikey it was a bloody robbery. Horn is a thief just like the jolly swagman in Waltzing Matilda.

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I scored it 115-113 Horn live and it's on record on IB's thread and I felt at the time that the correct boxer won.
But after watching it again, I can't go beyond 116-112 Pacquiao.

Let's be honest here people, Horn was doing nothing.
Diving in head first, getting countered once or twice, and then head locking or tying up your opponent is NOT ring generalship.
Pac was landing cleanly on Horn and I think like everyone else in this board, we were all mesmerized that the nobody from down under was actually putting up a better fight than what we expected of him, THAT WE MISSED THOSE PUNCHES AND FOCUSED WAY TOO MUCH ON HORN HUSTLING PAC and let ourselves believe that THAT was ring generalship.

Honestly people.
Pac-May is over and Pac already got his ass beat, rightfully by May.
Stop hating on the legend.

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Huge Fan of Manny and I don't rate Horn...Had Horn winning 7 to 5...thats why Manny should retire he is finished....

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I had Horn winning rounds 1, 7, 10, and 12.
Pac wins 8 rounds to 4. I score a round on number of scoring punches landed.
Any one scoring that fight for Horn is deluded.

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I have Pac winning 9 rounds to 3, the best you could give Horn is 3 or 4 rounds by wrestling................On-line poll has Pac winning easily.......................

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Well i go by these rules on scoring

https://www.lawinsport.com/articles...ow-professional-boxing-s-scoring-system-works

When scoring each round, judges are to refer to the Scoring Criteria outlined in the ABC’s Regulatory Guidelines:8

“…. Judges are to score each round using the following scoring criteria:

Clean punching (power versus quantity).

Effective aggressiveness.

Ring generalship.

Defense.”

The ABC expands upon this in its Certification Program, stating:

”The test to measure the awarding of points for “offensive boxing” should be the number of direct, clean punches delivered with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the scoring zone of the opponent’s body above the belt line. The judges should also consider the effect of blows received versus the number of punches delivered. Punches that are blocked or deflected should not be considered in tabulating your score. Blocked or deflected punches that land foul are not to be considered fouls in the awarding of points at the end of the round.”9 (Professional Boxing Judges, Chapter III – Scoring Zone).

It also states:

“Determination should not be mistaken for aggressiveness when one boxer continuously moves forward boring in on the opponent regardless of the number of punches being received. If an attack is not effective, the boxer cannot receive credit for it. In order for the boxer to be effective in their aggressiveness, he or she must force the action and set the tempo of the bout through forward movement. The boxer must score punches while blocking and avoiding the opponents counter punching. An aggressive boxer who continues boring in and getting hit from every angle should not be awarded points based on aggressiveness.”10 (Professional Boxing Judges, Chapter V – Scoring The Bout).

Finally, the Certification Program provides guidelines as to how a round should be scored numerically:

“10/9 From a “close” to “moderate” margin

10/8 EXTREMELY DECISIVE (without a knockdown)

10/8 One knockdown

10/7 Two knockdowns

10/6 More than (2) two knockdowns

10/10 Cannot pick a winner (very rare).”11 (Professional Boxing Judges, Chapter VIII – Scoring Criteria).

………..

“A judge should not only know what a 10/9 round is, but know the degree a boxer is winning the 10/9 round. Either a boxer won a close 10/9 round, a moderate 10/9 round, or a decisive 10/9 round. Extreme decisive may push the score to a 10/8 score depending on the judgment of the judge.” (Professional Boxing Judges, Chapter VIII – Scoring The Bout).
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and call foul according to these rules
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rules_of_Boxing

The rules of boxing vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and on whether it is an amateur or professional bout. A violation of the following rules is considered a foul, and can result in a warning, point deduction, or disqualification by the referee:

You cannot hit below the belt, hold, trip, kick, headbutt, wrestle, bite, spit on, or push your opponent.

You cannot hit with your head, shoulder, forearm, or elbow.

You cannot hit with an open glove, the inside of the glove, the wrist, the backhand, or the side of the hand.

You cannot punch your opponent's back, or the back of his head or neck (rabbit punch), or on the kidneys (kidney punch).

You cannot throw a punch while holding on to the ropes to gain leverage.

You can't hold your opponent and hit him at the same time, or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line.

When the referee breaks you from a clinch, you have to take a full step back; you cannot immediately hit your opponent--that's called "hitting on the break" and is illegal.

You cannot spit out your mouthpiece on purpose to get a rest.

If you score a knockdown of your opponent, you must go to the farthest neutral corner while the referee makes the count.

If you "floor" your opponent, you cannot hit him when he's on the canvas.

A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout.

A boxer who is knocked down cannot be saved by the bell in any round, depending upon the local jurisdiction's rules.

A boxer who is hit with an accidental low blow has up to five minutes to recover. If s/he cannot continue after five minutes, s/he is considered knocked out.

If the foul results in an injury that causes the fight to end immediately, the boxer who committed the foul is disqualified.

If the foul causes an injury but the bout continues, the referee orders the judges to deduct two points from the boxer who caused the injury.

If an unintentional foul causes the bout to be stopped immediately, the bout is ruled a "no contest" if four rounds have not been fully completed. (If the bout was scheduled for four rounds, then three rounds must have been completed.) If four rounds have been completed, the judges' scorecards are tallied and the fighter who is ahead on points is awarded a technical decision. If the scores are even, it will be called a "technical draw."

If a boxer is knocked out of the ring, he gets a count of 20 to get back in and on his feet. He cannot be assisted.

In some jurisdictions the standing eight-count or the three knockdown rule also may be in effect.

In other jurisdictions, only the referee can stop the bout.

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have horn winning 4 rounds at most on my first thorough lookthrough of the fight..
round 9 should be a 10-8
horn's aggression may impress those who don't know much about boxing, but closely looking at it you see he's not hitting well, or not being effective..
pac landing a lot of good shots. even ones that people didn't think effective did have an effect
e.g. 1:17 into round 1 pac landed a fast right jab on horn which looked like it just grazed horn, but caused horn to drop his mouth guard

https://ibb.co/kN9onv

few times horn held pac on ropes while pushing or htting pac, and fair number of times holding pac's head with his own and hitting pac at the same, while the ref watching not doing anything.
far too much wrestling/grappling and headlocking which the ref allowed to continue on and on.

jeff punching pac straight in face while holding, ref looking on
https://ibb.co/kTog7v

ref should have thug life sunglasses
https://ibb.co/gRDnfF

jeff punching pac (right uppercut) while holding his head down with his own
https://ibb.co/d0Weua

counted 10+ fouls from jeff in round1 alone
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It really emphasises how much influence the commentary team has. Casuals are clueless and need help to codify what they're watching.

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this_and_that said: ↑

I scored it 115-113 Horn live and it's on record on IB's thread and I felt at the time that the correct boxer won.
But after watching it again, I can't go beyond 116-112 Pacquiao.

Let's be honest here people, Horn was doing nothing.
Diving in head first, getting countered once or twice, and then head locking or tying up your opponent is NOT ring generalship.
Pac was landing cleanly on Horn and I think like everyone else in this board, we were all mesmerized that the nobody from down under was actually putting up a better fight than what we expected of him, THAT WE MISSED THOSE PUNCHES AND FOCUSED WAY TOO MUCH ON HORN HUSTLING PAC and let ourselves believe that THAT was ring generalship.

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I think this is the reality, people just thought horn did well because horn bullied pac on the get go.. they didn't see that horn's punches weren't hitting as much as they should, and that pac was hitting him a lot with good punches... also they probably didn't know that horn was fouling pac a lot because the damn ref was letting horn off a lot of times.

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Gannicus said: ↑

It really emphasises how much influence the commentary team has. Casuals are clueless and need help to codify what they're watching.
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Teddy atlas, while a bit over the top, was more right than wrong.

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Aggression is a big part of boxing

Always has impressed judges.

Always will

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Kiwi_in_America said: ↑

Aggression is a big part of boxing

Always has impressed judges.

Always will
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yes like how mayweather smothers his opponents with hundreds of punches in bunches and always forces his opponent back with his imposing forward movement.

um.. no..

and clearly judges didn't see that jeff's aggression wasnt that effective, or just forgot to go by the rulebooks.
the ref being overly lenient on the fouling didn't help either.

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Clear Pacquiao win.

A lot of people don't seem to understand what they are watching.

Many also don't understand how boxing corruption works.

Also Horn committed more than enough fouls to warrant several point deductions and probably a DQ.

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Farmboxer said: ↑

I have Pac winning 9 rounds to 3
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Then you should give up milking cows for a living & apply for a job as an ESPN boxing analyst.

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