Did Horn really win the 12 rd?

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  1. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    All 5 WBO judges who re-scored the fight gave it to Horn.

    I thought Horn missed wildly and was largely ineffective, only landing 2 or 3 clean punches in that last rd. Pac instead scored cleanly at least a half dozen times, including clean body punches, and made Horn miss a ton.

    I gave that last rd to Pac clearly. At least an argument could be made it was a close rd, but no way do 5 judges score it all to Horn, without shenanigans taking place.

    It's important, since scoring it to Pac gives him the victory on the recount.
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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  3. Huberth

    Huberth Active Member Full Member

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    All 5 wbo unknown judges is Australian
     
  4. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They include the original Judges also! With the 117 -111 having an influence.http://www.wboboxing.com/independen...eff-horn-vs-manny-pacquiao-championship-bout/
    The next step of the analysis was to combine the Independent Judges with the Bout Judges to find the percentage agreement by round. Upon doing this analysis, the findings of the Judges stated that Pacquiao won the 3rd and 9th by 100%; the 8th round was won by 87.5%; no rounds were won by 75%; the 5th round by 62.5%; and the 10th and 11th were even rounds.
     
  5. Sandman_

    Sandman_ Undisputed Full Member

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    I thought it was a close but clear-cut Horn round. I gave the previous three to Pac.

    If Manny had closed the show strong in that last round he would have retained his title by majority draw.

    He needed to lay it on the line & let it all hang out in that last round.

    But he didn't.
     
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  6. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If they is then it ain't a fair recount.
     
  7. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Am I the only one getting sick of Pac/Horn threads. It's been 2 weeks. Please. We have great events and fights coming up. This coming week we have Miura/Berchelt, Smith/Barrera, then after that Broner/Garcia and a month from now McGregor/Mayweather. I don't understand how people can be so butthurt about a fight. Murata dominated N'dam completely and got robbed in a non-competitive fight, compared to Pac losing a fight that was close. Even if you had Pac winning you can't say he dominated. I bitched about it for 2 days then got the **** over it and I bet I'm a bigger Murata supporter than most of you are Pac supporters.
     
  8. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I initially got the impression that Horn had gotten the better of Pac. But after watching it in slow motion, I noticed that most of Horn's punches were missing and that Pac was getting in some shots as well.

    But since the judges are positioned from three different angles of course not all have a clear view of what is going on and might get the impression that Horn is connecting? Why they aren't provided with instant slow-motion on a screen in order to properly evaluate such exchanges is beyond me.
     
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  9. titanic

    titanic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's rigged. First 3 judges and these so called re-count judges are all in the same Payroll.
    Boxing is heavily corrupt.
     
  10. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes he won rd. 12. He won the fight. He brought the DOG out in PAC.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yes. I actually gave the elventh to Pac (annotating that it was close) but Horn already had an insurmountable 106-103 lead on my card at that point so the last frame was academic.

     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I agree, except about HNN vs. Murata not being competitive. If you really think it was you should watch Danyo vs. Zhuravskiy for some perspective on how non-competitive looks. HNN vs. Murata was full of 51-49 rounds in comparison.
     
  13. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    I had Pac leading Horn in clear rds won ( Pac: 2,5,8,9,12 and Horn: 1,4,6).

    All the rest were close rds: 3, 7, 10, 11. Most of them leaning Pac.
    Horn didn't win clearly a single rd after the sixth.

    It really takes a stretch to have Horn winning all these remaining 4 close rds just like it was a stretch to award Ward all the close rds in the first Kovalev bout.
     
  14. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    How clear-cut was it since both Australians commentators on the
    Top Rank broadcast, heavily biased towards Horn, couldn't decide it and gave it even, lol.
     
  15. tealt

    tealt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So the judges thought Pac had 3 8 9 clearly and they thought Horn had 1 6 12 clearly. The 10 11 seem to be very tossup in the judges mind and yours. Your score card and the judges scorecard seem really close. Your main disagreement is with round 2 and 12 where they almost all had horn winning those rounds. There is two options here. Either there was a conspiracy from the beginning to score rounds 2 and 12 in horns favor no matter what or the judges really saw it how it was. Its not like the judges scorecards were all over the place. Except for 117 to 111 of course. All it takes is a few rounds that a person sees different and the outcome easily changes. I didn't think Manny was that great in 2 and 12. 8 and 9 yes.