Joe Frazier v. 8 recent big men back-to-back-to-back...

When Frazier starts smashing hooks into his ribs and his liver he'd probably be wise to back up. It's painful wherever he goes.

 

I believe so...at the very least, possibly Lewis. None of these who are around today...including Joshua and Wlad.

 

I can see some merit to that argument, although my stance is that the superior money and prestige of heavyweight would draw up the best Cruiser sized fighters. Basically, if the odds of winning really were the same, no CW would stay at CW instead of moving up- the risk side of the risk/reward balance is the same, but the reward is superior moving up. It'd be irrational not to.

Also, in essence, the matchup ark of classic heavyweights reflects a career Cruiser today who moves up to HW for occasional strategic fights, but just doesn't stick there exclusively or for the majority of their fights. Holyfield being an exception. Not sure Joe's team would match him against 8 big heavyweights in a row if they could help it.

 

Luis Ortiz has terrible distance management. There isn't one fighter who beat Frazier that could keep him off of him. Foreman had the strength and physicality. I scored the second fight for Ali by a single round. The last fight I had Frazier up before the stoppage so Foreman was really the only one around who truly could beat Frazier. Ortiz and the rest of them fight nothing like Foreman.

I've seen Bryant Jennings legit walk in on Luis Ortiz and fight at close quarters. No way and hell could the 'roided Cuban keep 210 lb Frazier off of him.

 

Problem with ancient Ortiz is he could fall apart at any moment. He's past his best even though we've never actually seen him at his best.

 

Sure, Ortiz might be a tough assignment. He's no bum.
But Frazier should win.

 

you mean foreman, not hrdhitting big men. He has a great record vs hardhitting big men, its called his HW resume.

But I can see that you WANT him to not have a good track record against them. So you reverse the truth in your little head.


Now, hint - just becasue you reverse the truth in your little head, it doesnt mean the truth in the wolrd outside changes too.

 

frazier will have a hardtime punching through their walls of fat.

 

Jennings is not nearly as strong as Foreman or Frazier were. He doesn't even utilize even a 10th of the head movement that Frazier did.

https://streamable.com/keuwk

Imagine if that was Frazier instead of Jennings. Your man would have been f*cked. Look at this one

https://streamable.com/wy0u6

It's nearly a minute and Ortiz struggles to keep Jennings off of him, matter of fact he can't keep him off of him during that time.

What you don't get is Jennings is an out-boxer. He isn't a swarmer on the level of Frazier, not even close.

It's like Ali fighting like Tyson and giving Holmes hellacious problems.

 

I find that unimpressive given that Wlad has always had trouble with boxers and was pretty past prime.

 

Ortiz looks to have half the pace of prime Foreman.

 

Do you think these guys punched harder than Foreman? One of the reasons Foreman won was because as they both attacked his punches would land first due to the much longer reach, do any of these guys have a longer reach than George? Liston was only 6ft but his reach was amazing, don`t know if any of these guys had a reach like the smaller Liston do you get what I`m aiming at?