Joe Frazier v. 8 recent big men back-to-back-to-back...

Yes, I do, and thanks for your insights. I happen to think that the situation that exists between lightheavies and heavies, now also exists between heavies and what are now really super heavies. It's odd that so many people think the size argument is valid regarding Dempsey, Marciano, etc., versus the bigger man that came later, but invalid regarding Frazier, Ali, etc., versus the behemoths of today.

 

Yes but according to your system then Foreman must have hit way harder than Marciano and Dempsey because he was way heavier and around 6ft 3" or 6ft 4". I still think if Foreman or Tyson caught any of these bigger heavies flush they would go! I know these heavies are better than Willard but being better doesn`t mean your chin is any better and the Willard proved really big men can be destroyed by far smaller men also Louis proved this when he knocked out Buddy Baer, I don`t include the 6ft 5" inch Canera because he was taking too many shots being so clumsy I don`t consider Carnera as anything more than a circus clown.

 

OK.

 

Well, yes, very big men, even very good big men, can get knocked out by smaller men. True, but that doesn't change the fact that there is, in realty, a new division of super heavyweights who are well-trained and highly skilled. The adage "a good big man beats a good small man" applies. The frazier-sized and even the Ali and Foreman-sized men are, in comparison, the smaller men. We're not talking about the rare Carnera-type that appeared occasionally in the past, but a new breed of qualified fighters that belong in a new division - the superheavyweight division.

 

I think Ali would be the most effective against modern super heavies because of his speed and reflexes, he wouldn`t get hit as much as Frazier or Foreman so that means bigger stronger punches will be negated largely by Ali being a great judge of distance.

 

Luis Ortiz, Alexander Povektin, Joseph Parker, and Christian Hammer aren't "Super Heavyweights" Deontay Wilder is tall but skinny as a rail.

Frazier fought 6'4 230 pound Joe Bugner, 6'3 240 pound Buster Mathis, 6'3 1/2 230 pound Foreman. So I don't see why guys slightly taller and fatter would pose much of a problem for him.

 

Maybe, maybe not. People often overlook the fact that pre-exile Ali, the version often regarded as better than post-exile Ali, (Not by me.) enjoyed considerable size advantages over most of his opposition (Terrell excepted.). It can be argued that those height and weight advantages were not much of a factor post-exile, therefore he experienced losses. If there is any validity to that position, then consider how he would fare against men who were not only his size as in phase two of his career, but much, much bigger and skilled and well-trained.

 

they were skilled and well trained!

 

I mentioned "skilled and well-trained" to contrast the superheavies of today with the Abe Simon's, Carneras, etc., of the past.

 

Carnera was world champion!

 

Of course, we all know that, but the legitimacy of his win over Sharkey is questionable, as well of several of his other wins. Even discounting all that, he doesn't compare favorably with the other champs.

 

Frazier should beat each of those.

Individually fight by fight I'd make him a comfortable favourite. Maybe 5-9 (I think that's -180).

Would he actually beat them all? It isn't exactly a murderers row of opponents. Povetkin is byba mile the best there and he went life and death with a CW opponent.

 

compares favourably with all the bitpart titlists thats for sure.